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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#55376: Apr 6th 2017 at 4:04:49 PM

How does that work? I thought they were kind of "fixed" at their level of strength? Or does ranger-ing involve enough physical training to level up?

edited 6th Apr '17 4:05:02 PM by DarkHunter

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#55377: Apr 6th 2017 at 4:06:07 PM

Isn't there an interview with Toriyama where he says that 17 and 18 can get stronger through traning, or is that another 'Toriyama said'?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55378: Apr 6th 2017 at 4:14:43 PM

17's been ranging the shit outta that park for well over a decade now.

I wouldn't be surprised if he could take on Beerus right now. tongue

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#55380: Apr 6th 2017 at 4:54:26 PM

If parks in Dragon Ball have dinosaurs, it almost comes close to vaguely making sense that #17 is stronger now. It's also good to see he's a fan of the McGill International Review.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#55381: Apr 6th 2017 at 5:32:03 PM

He might have just trained because he felt weak after getting owned by Cell and matched by Piccolo.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#55382: Apr 6th 2017 at 5:40:30 PM

The Androids were always neat to watch due to their various models and abilities.

It's part of why I liked 19 so much. Too bad there are no more energy absorbing models left.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55384: Apr 6th 2017 at 7:32:19 PM

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I know right. Toriyama had something really interesting and it's a shame he abandoned it for even more power!

I liked 17 and 18 (though his ex-editor didn't), but there could have been more to them then just being stronger than everybody. I mean...how do you accidentally create Androids more powerful than the most powerful (mortal, and non bubblegum) dude in the universe/galaxy/whatever Frieza was the strongest in?

As for 17 being stronger, I recall hearing the blurb about Toriyama saying they could grow stronger through training as well. Of course, at the time, I complained that that would never happen, because they would have no reason to train, so I'm gonna order myself some crow with a side order of foot for dinner it seems.cool

I can't remember who posted it, so I suppose we'll have to rely on everyone's favourite Pope to give us an answer.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#55385: Apr 6th 2017 at 7:36:58 PM

I can't really see 17 and 18 training, honestly. I mean, there's basically all of ten guys who can beat him in a fight, why would 17 want to grow stronger?

It can be justified, but I don't think they would.

edited 6th Apr '17 7:37:32 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#55386: Apr 6th 2017 at 7:40:49 PM

17 has grown much stronger? Incoming Super 17 vs Super's 17 joke matchups.

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#55387: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:29:27 PM

[up]I laughed.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#55388: Apr 6th 2017 at 9:51:00 PM

...I mean, there's basically all of ten guys who can beat him in a fight... why train?

To be number one, of course.

Because chicks don't want "the 11th strongest guy in the world."

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55389: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:21:34 PM

I mean why wouldn't you want to get stronger? There's no reason not to seek self-improvement and greater strength especially if its at no cost. There's just no excuse for mediocrity, a lesson Krillen & hopefully Gohan have already learned.

Also speaking of Androids, here's a hypothetical Super arc. Maybe something involving the Androids, a remake of the Super 17 arc though with 18 going evil as well. Have them become the weapons of pure evil they were supposed to be had Cell not come in & Trunks disrupted the timeline. It be interesting especially if the reactions of Krillen & Marron of 18 becoming violently evil are focused. Even create more original Android antagonists with unique abilities & the useful energy absorbing trick 19 & Gero had.

I mean it wouldn't be hard to make them a threat to Goku & Vegeta. Just say they absorbed God Ki or something.

edited 7th Apr '17 12:55:19 AM by slimcoder

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55390: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:43:33 AM

I've always thought that sort of thing, with either 18 being rebooted to be like Future 18, or even staying the same and somehow meeting Future 17 and/or 18, was an interesting idea.

Super 17 was my favorite arc of GT (not that that's necessarily saying much), but they picked the sibling with less dramatic ties to the rest of the characters, and if you're going for an twisted into an evil weapon story you've got to go straight for the heart.

edited 7th Apr '17 12:48:20 AM by KnownUnknown

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#55391: Apr 7th 2017 at 1:07:15 AM

If parks in Dragon Ball have dinosaurs, it almost comes close to vaguely making sense that #17 is stronger now.
I mean, I'm pretty sure Goku has been OHKO-ing dinosaurs since the first season, but... sure, why not. Maybe this Dragonball universe operates on One Piece logic and there's these islands where random animals are randomly stronger than all the giant monstrosities that appeared before. ... Or maybe it's the Frieza thing where #17 was as powerful as he was by sheer virtue of his cyborg side and he's since trained his human side as well and it made him exponentially stronger or something.

... But yeah, the fact that cyborgs are so powerful never made sense to me, either. The protagonists have been at a level way from the beginning where they can punch through steel with no effort. They're way past the point of plausibility and the only possible explanation for their strength is this mystical ki sort of inherent force of a living being, and that seems like the opposite of the kind of thing that you can improve on by adding soulless machinery to the mix.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#55392: Apr 7th 2017 at 3:38:01 AM

Very early on we had Androids that were noticeably stronger than Goku he had undergone Roshi's training.

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#55393: Apr 7th 2017 at 6:01:45 AM

You mean Android 8 and Metalitron?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55394: Apr 7th 2017 at 6:51:00 AM

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I believe so. Admittedly, Goku only beat Metalitron due to the latter running out of power. And if Android 8 had been willing to fight, he'd had absolutely annihilated the Goku that he met at that point.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#55395: Apr 7th 2017 at 8:25:50 AM

I mean, 18 knows the Destructo Disk, so apparently she trained a little with Krillin.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#55397: Apr 7th 2017 at 3:20:47 PM

Just Android 8, Metallitron is apparently not considered an Android - probably because he has no personality.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55399: Apr 7th 2017 at 3:27:40 PM

Well, 19 could feel things at least. I don't recall if Metallitron ever actually showed any emotion.

edited 7th Apr '17 3:28:34 PM by LSBK

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#55400: Apr 7th 2017 at 3:28:11 PM

He was basically a Terminator reference anyways.

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