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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#55326: Apr 5th 2017 at 5:31:34 PM

White is overused tho.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#55327: Apr 5th 2017 at 5:35:02 PM

Personally, I'd have liked to have seen Goku learn how to achieve Super Saiyan God under his own power, with him doubling, if not phasing out, the form's time limit. Meanwhile, Vegeta would have gone to Whis for training in order to gain full access to the power he used against Beerus, much in the same way in does in Super. He would eventually have adapted to the God Ki around him, in much the same way Goku did with God's power, and would end up combining it with the power he used against Beerus (once he has mastered it) in order to create his own form to rival Goku's Super Saiyan God form: Super Saiyan Blue.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#55328: Apr 5th 2017 at 5:38:58 PM

You already have the manga for that though.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#55329: Apr 5th 2017 at 5:41:33 PM

Except the manga has them have both; in this, SSG would be Goku's god form and SSB would be Vegeta's.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#55330: Apr 5th 2017 at 5:43:07 PM

Zamasu already went Super Saiyan White. tongue

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#55331: Apr 5th 2017 at 5:44:38 PM

I mean, Toriyama did say that he didn't make Blue white because it would have clashed with a future villain...

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55332: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:02:16 PM

Welp! Zamasu ruins everything again it seems.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55333: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:10:11 PM

Huh that's a funny thought. His hair's standing straight cause he's in Super Saiyan form.

That would mean he's actually Super Zamasu.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#55334: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:23:55 PM

Local kai ruins everything.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55335: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:35:33 PM

Zamasu was Super Saiyan White? Hmm...was he or was it just Super Saiyan Rose with white hair dye? Also, if he wasn't in a powered up state would his hair be black like Goku? The Dragonball Fusions character of Gomas suggested that Merged Zamasu in his base would have black hair, as that fusion is Goku and Zamasu and thus genetically identical to Goku Black and Future Zamasu' fusion.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#55336: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:12:33 PM

I can't believe Zamasu made Dragonball AF canon.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#55337: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:14:05 PM

[up]Don't you know who writes the Dragon Ball Super manga?

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#55338: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:14:49 PM

Pretty sure Black was in Rose form when he merged, and we know that transformations are preserved across fusions. That's why Elder Kai told Goku it would be a bad idea to go Super Saiyan before fusing with Vegeta, since they can't remain like that forever and the strain would probably kill them (of course, that was before the 30 minute time limit for mortals was introduced, but still).

So Merged Zamasu was in a kind of permanent Super Saiyan state.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55339: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:56:51 PM

Merged Zamasu and Xicor being half-Kai is more coincidence than anything, though there are other parallels. And hey, we got Goku Black out of it

I just realized how stupidly easy it would be for Ginyu to hijack Freeza. Here's how to pull it off

  • Step 1: Body swap with Guldo in discretion. Guldo will appreciate the power boost and the two would pull off a good impression of each others, unless Voices Are Mental apply to the manga as well
  • Step 2: Wait until Freeza arrives and freeze time. Make sure Step 1 was discrete because otherwise Freeza might think something's up
  • Step 3: Change places in the time freeze. Then death beam Freeza while he's in Guldo's body
  • Step 4: Train until you can deal with King Cold
  • Step 5: Congratulations, you are the new Emperor of the Universe

Freeza is very fortunate Ginyu has Undying Loyalty to him

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#55340: Apr 5th 2017 at 8:00:39 PM

[up]Problem: You can't hold your breath when shouting "CHANGE!".

edited 5th Apr '17 8:00:52 PM by MightyMatilda

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#55341: Apr 5th 2017 at 8:04:52 PM

Step 4 is unnecessary. Freeza is significantly stronger than King Cold, and all of Freeza's power is 100% innate to him - Ginyu would likely have access to all of it and would probably be able to use it better than Freeza ever could.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#55342: Apr 5th 2017 at 8:52:39 PM

Guldo doesn't need to hold his breath in the manga, he just runs out of energy.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#55343: Apr 5th 2017 at 8:55:48 PM

So nearly all of the major enemies throughout the series were some kind of mutant.

Vegeta and Goku could arguably be mutants/outliers in the Saiyan species who were able to obtain astronomical levels of strength.

Frieza, of course, is a mutant with an astronomical, innate power level.

Cell technically evolved exactly the way he was supposed to - but then he mutated into his Super Perfect Form.

Buu mutated into Fat Buu and Super Buu.

King Piccolo was a piece of the Nameless Namek who exhibited far more strength than any other Namek in the series, same deal as Goku and Vegeta.

Tien.

Pilaf.

Baby was a Machine Mutant.

I guess Super 17 and Omega weren't mutants, depending on how you want to look at it.

edited 5th Apr '17 8:56:15 PM by Soble

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#55344: Apr 5th 2017 at 9:04:28 PM

King Piccolo was actually far, far weaker than even Non-Warrior Caste namekians.

It's very likely that Dende would've kicked his ass.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#55345: Apr 5th 2017 at 9:07:08 PM

No, the Nameless Namek was absurdly strong. He was stated to be a potential threat to Freeza, and Guru was under the impression that it would take a Super Saiyan to kill him.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#55346: Apr 5th 2017 at 9:07:51 PM

He meant the Nameless Namekian was far stronger than any other Warrior Tribe Namekians.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#55347: Apr 5th 2017 at 9:11:16 PM

Wasn't Super 17 a machine mutant? I have no idea what that means, but it's what Dragon Ball Fusions told me.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55348: Apr 5th 2017 at 9:13:00 PM

I don't see how Dende would have kicked his ass seeing how Dende is in no way a fighter and has never displayed anything above even normal human ability, besides his healing and flying.

edited 5th Apr '17 9:13:24 PM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#55349: Apr 5th 2017 at 9:29:26 PM

The fact that the Nameless Namekian was super strong doesn't change the fact that King Piccolo was hilariously, laughably weak compared to non-Warrior Caste Namekians.

Also, past a certain point, the sheer difference in powerlevel would render King Piccolo too slow and weak to touch Dende, let alone hurt him.

After getting his power unlocked, anyway. I don't know if there was anything he could've done against King Piccolo before that.

edited 5th Apr '17 9:30:08 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55350: Apr 5th 2017 at 9:31:52 PM

Unlocking his power meant unlocking his healing abilities. It wasn't like with Gohan and Krillin where they actually got stronger.

Power Creep is obviously a thing, but I see no reason to think it would matter in that situation when Dende has never been shown, or even implied, to be stronger than an ordinary person.

edited 5th Apr '17 9:32:34 PM by LSBK


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