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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#55276: Apr 3rd 2017 at 5:13:58 PM

I mean, he was able to do pretty well against Super Saiyan 2 Goku, who Gowasu said was comparable in strength to the Universe 10 G.o.D.

That was just Gowasu making faulty assumptions based on Goku being able to fight Beerus.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#55277: Apr 3rd 2017 at 6:32:49 PM

Goku likely wouldn't have allowed Cell to absorb 18. He would let Cell power up if it didn't involve hurting someone else, but while he is selfish, Goku is not actively malicious.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#55278: Apr 3rd 2017 at 6:44:52 PM

Future Zamasu was able to hold up decently (though he did rely on his immortality a lot, admittedly) against SSB Goku

^_^ This might be Goku at his most savage, but, still.

Zamasu was supposed to be a fighting prodigy, one of the strongest Kaioshin ever, so there's that.

a fighting prodigy - one of the strongest Kaioshin ever

Like a b'tch.

Sorry, my headcanon now is that Zamasu gets sh't from everyone, even himself.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55279: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:10:53 PM

Zamasu isn't Yamcha, he's Krillin-he dies all the time. To wit:

  • Present Zamasu gets Control Z'd by Beerus
  • Goku Black commits technical suicide by killing his old body with Goku's mind in it
  • Goku Black essentially dies by fusing with Future Zamasu since it's a completely new entity, especially when Merged Zamasu starts mutating
  • Future Zamasu essentially dies by fusing with Goku Black since it's a completely new entity
  • Merged Zamasu is mentally and physically killed by Future Trunks, before his soul is obliterated by Zen'o...we can only hope
  • In the new Future Trunks timeline Beerus kills the Goku Black there, and that timeline's Zamasu is sealed up

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55280: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:45:16 PM

I'm not totally sure I agree with Masako here. The truth is, whatever the Spirit Bomb / Genki Dama was supposed to be, it was just a tool meant to fail to create more drama. The writing is on the wall: both times it was used before the Buu saga, it failed. And then, like the Kaioken, it was abandoned once the new hotness of Super Saiyan came along.

Which is a shame, because the concept of taking ki from other things was a pretty interesting concept. If Toriyama himself had considered the idea that Movie 7 used (absorbing the power to increase your own strength) there could have been a whole new way to use that energy since the bomb nearly always missed.

That being said, there are few things I'd trade the Planet Powered Spirit Bomb in the Buu Saga for. It was a great moment, even if it was born entirely out of his decision to completely cut Gohan out of the fight.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55281: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:59:28 PM

Oooh I wouldn't trade it for anything else too even if Gohan did get the shaft. Especially as I watched the scene somewhat recently.

The climax between the final battle of Majin Buu, Goku entering an epic struggle with Kid Buu, being repowered by the D-Balls to go SSJ just in time, everyone cheering him on with all their hearts, Goku's summarization of Majin Buu's character & why he needs to be punished for his evil, the SSJ 3 theme playing, saying adios to Kid till they meet again & for being the first time the Spirit Bomb actually kills someone, made for a great finale to everything.

It gives me the warm fuzzies thinking about it. waii

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#55282: Apr 3rd 2017 at 8:21:49 PM

Spirit Bomb was the only reason Vegeta didn't win in the Saiyan Saga. People need to stop acting like villains have to die in order for their defeats to count.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55283: Apr 3rd 2017 at 8:38:30 PM

Well I guess it's because it was hyped up as the greatest attack ever, but Vegeta stopped it before Goku could use it, then jumped over it, and then when it did hit him, he still had plenty of gas in the tank. At that point, if not for Gohan regrowing his tail, they'd have lost.

Toriyama yanked our chains a bit too much with that one.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#55284: Apr 4th 2017 at 2:03:32 AM

That's because the Vegeta fight took many things for them to win, and couldn't have been done without removing those elements.

Vegeta may have had a lot of gas left in the tank after the Spirit Bomb... but that's because his tank is ridiculous. He took a huge amount of damage from it, but he's also able of taking insane amounts of damage and just keep trucking.

Hell, Vegeta notes that the damage is why he doesn't just beat up Oozaru Gohan - at his regular power he's more than 10x stronger than Gohan, so Oozaru normally wouldn't do jack.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#55285: Apr 4th 2017 at 2:58:20 AM

Why couldn't Goku invent the Scatter Spirit Bomb? Sure, the shots might be massively smaller, but the risk of it missing is massively reduced.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#55286: Apr 4th 2017 at 3:01:33 AM

It didn't really have that much of an issue with missing in the first place.

Once he could teleport, and with the Spirit Bomb's ability to be deflected harmlessly, he could theoretically make several attempts at nailing someone with it if it missed anyway.tongue

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#55287: Apr 4th 2017 at 3:05:23 AM

Goddamnit, that's a really cool idea.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#55288: Apr 4th 2017 at 7:16:24 AM

Instant Spirit Bomb Kamehameha.

It could work.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#55289: Apr 4th 2017 at 7:50:41 AM

The truth is, whatever the Spirit Bomb / Genki Dama was supposed to be, it was just a tool meant to fail to create more drama.

What I find interesting is that the movies (which aren't canon, I know) took the exact opposite approach. In those, the Spirit Bomb was basically Goku's trump card, either to finish someone off or to One-Hit Kill an otherwise vastly superior foe. Dr. Wheelo, Turles, Lord Slug and Super Android 13 all met their demise this way.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55290: Apr 4th 2017 at 8:17:37 AM

The idea of Goku using Instant Transmission to pop right up to somebody and slam the Spirit Bomb on top of their head is really funny.

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#55291: Apr 4th 2017 at 8:24:39 AM

[up]Agreed.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#55292: Apr 4th 2017 at 9:13:44 AM

That actually sounds like a really practical use for it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55293: Apr 4th 2017 at 9:35:29 AM

It didn't really have that much of an issue with missing in the first place. Once he could teleport, and with the Spirit Bomb's ability to be deflected harmlessly, he could theoretically make several attempts at nailing someone with it if it missed anyway.

As already said, that's an incredibly good idea, and it should have happened. The same for [up][up][up].

I'm really annoyed at how a lot of cool techniques seemed to only exist to fail, or never be used to their full potential.

Then again, as far back as Goku match against Jackie Chun it was shown that sometimes, simpler ideas beat fancy techniques. For all the tricks Chun busted out, in the end he beat Goku with simple physics via a kick to the face. Perhaps Toriyama was just applying that to later techniques.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#55294: Apr 4th 2017 at 9:42:56 AM

The thing about the Spirit Bomb is that the version everyone knows is the massive ones used on Freeza and Buu, which are unnaturally huge and powerful because of the amount of energy needed. I think the "proper" version is the one handed one that he's used to kill in movies.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#55295: Apr 4th 2017 at 9:57:59 AM

Interesting thing, the Demon Hero avatar from Super DBH finally has a name thanks to the latest manga chapter.

His name is Chamel.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#55296: Apr 4th 2017 at 2:17:02 PM

I'm fairly sure that, yeah, the Spirit Bomb's 'original' form is the one handed one and the big one is what happens when you go beyond the recommended settings. Or, you might say, when you go even further beyond.

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#55297: Apr 4th 2017 at 2:43:41 PM

Peter Parker's usually one of the only people who is consistently safe from The Hulk.

Depends on which Hulk personality we are talking about, the smarter Hulk's tend to find him annoying. Usually because Peter still talk to them as of he was dealing with the Savage persona and they hate that.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#55298: Apr 4th 2017 at 3:38:27 PM

Multiversal Spirit Bomb + SSJBK Kx 10 would be a sight to behold.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#55299: Apr 4th 2017 at 3:43:57 PM

Ah, something like that MIGHT be enough to get Beerus to use 75% of his full power.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55300: Apr 4th 2017 at 3:52:00 PM

Considering how Z & GT ended odds are high that Super could end with a multiversal spirit bomb.

edited 4th Apr '17 3:52:15 PM by slimcoder

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