Saiga saying there's no salt when he's the saltiest one here.
Seriously though, the show has clearly dropped the pretense of Power Levels, so how about you guys do too? I find that watching the episode in a mindset of "I love Dragon Ball's characters, character writing, and fight choreography" works wonders for my enjoyment of the series. Really now, you get a wonderfully animated and choreographed episode with a ton of heartwarming moments, and all anyone can seem to do is whine about how the Power Levels aren't consistent. The Dragon Ball fandom is so shallow.
Honestly, we shouldn't be bound by the same ways of thinking as were used in the old series when it comes to Super; this is clearly a different game altogether now. We must continue to grow and evolve past our old ways of thinking; go beyond our limitations, just as Goku does.
And here you'll see me trying to mix Dragon Ball with philosophy; I am so sorry if this sounds dumb as all hell.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!As Jedi said, DBS did actually show Krillin training and powering up quite some just 8 episodes ago. Sure he ain't god level (yet), but it does seem that forest training pushed his limits quite up there.
Not sure how powerful he is, but it wouldn't surprise me if he got around the Android's level.
Also, I like how Gohan got BTFO after knocking down Krillin the past couple of episodes. Really shows that an old dog can learn new, more powerful tricks. Can't wait to see what Gohan does next episode with Piccolo.
edited 1st Apr '17 11:49:51 PM by Rinsankajugin
You were being facetious? Whenever I noticed you doing that, I assumed it was the Delusions of Eloquence breaking down and you were too emotionally compromised to even attempt proper grammer. Sorry.
edited 2nd Apr '17 12:49:36 AM by PushoverMediaCritic
He met him...in a dream.
Filler dream...
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I felt Krillin's performance this episode was very reminiscent of the Luffy/Usopp fight in One Piece. Despite clearly being the weaker fighter, Krillin managed to hold his own against base Gohan and base Goku through ingenuity and creative techniques. Both of the fights were also beautifully choreographed and animated, I wasn't kidding when I came in all ready to gush over how great this episode was; I sincerely loved it.
Yeah, agreed. As a Krillin fan, I was grinning from ear to ear by the end.
All this kvetching about power levels doesn't really make sense to me, since it seemed like the show was playing up Krillin's Weak, but Skilled nature for the majority of the episode, by having him use interesting strategies and new techniques. The only questionable part was the Beam-O-War by the end, and even then, you could argue that Goku was holding back.
No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!Dragon Ball also isn't One Piece, Gohan and Kuririn aren't anywhere near the same as Luffy and Usopp etc.
One series being able to use Weak, but Skilled to make the weak character shine does not mean any example of it is equally justified. And that's not even getting into how Luffy vs Usopp was incredibly short and ended with Luffy wiping the floor with Usopp once he ran out of stalling tactics.
When you look at how power levels actually worked previously, it's easy to see why the entire episode is questionable and 'weak but skilled' is a shallow, insufficient justication.
All the skill in the world wouldn't let a regular human defeat a manned tank head-on. The difference between Kuririn and Gohan is magnitudes greater than that.
Not in Dragonball, but Slayers, Jojo, [insert advertisement for series I like here], Yu Yu Hakusho, Flame of Recca, and Hunter x Hunter all have decent female characters. And I suppose if you want you can toss in One Piece and Fairy Tail.
I assure you I am not guilty of this. I give Goku and Vegeta sh't for just about everything they do.
I'm actually ecstatic the others are here. Even if he lost the genetic lottery in terms of superpowers, seriously, every time he shows up he's doing something badass in the arc he appears in. He did what this franchise ultimately considers the "right thing" and lived his life in celibacy, training to be the best.
Every generation/story arc coming together on the same team: Roshi representing early Dragonball, Vegeta the Saiyan Saga, 17 and 18 the Android and Cell Sagas, and Buu obviously his own sag a- with Gohan, Krillin, and Piccolo obviously having some overlap, and Goku of course being there for all of them.
It's like when Doctor Who/Power Rangers decide to have all of the Doctors/every team of Rangers show up and work together with the latest iteration. Even though later Doctors/teams should have better knowledge/more resources it's still fun as heck to see them all there.
edited 2nd Apr '17 5:34:20 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Ehhh... I don't know Slayers and Flame of Recca, but I'd rather kill myself than recommend those others as series with good female characters. Damsel-in-distress Hakusho, 7/8 parts sausage fest where women are totally useless Jojo, Hunter x Where the fuck even are the women, One Piece and Fairy Tail... it's like you wanted the extreme opposite of series with good women.
Tenshinhan sure was badass in the arc where the only thing he did was get knocked out by a pair of severed legs.
Also, best part of the episode: Kuririn's super new technique is a shittier version of Lavender's tactic when he fought Gohan and got wrecked for it (can't be seen, can't be ki sensed). Super can't even be consistent with its plot for a handful of episodes.
edited 2nd Apr '17 5:52:28 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest
No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!

Simply: don't have Kuririn reach this plateau of strength. Even if they want to use him more, it's simply not necessary to have him gain this power. For all the talk of "power doesn't make good characters" you'd think it'd be fine to utilize the characters in ways that are not trying to make them look awesome.
If, for whatever reason, you absolutely must have them become powerful fighters, put some effort into it. The advantage of developing and explaining the power ups means actually focusing on the development of these characters. If the idea is that they want to use Kuririn et al more, why have their major developments occur mostly off-screen? Seems rather contrary to the goal.
Fleshing out the concept of God ki would have allowed for it to even the playing field if they so desired. Make God ki less of a plot device and have the secondary characters devote time and effort toward gaining it. It's still got problems - it effectively means most of the casts previous development is obseleted - but throwing out the consistency also does that, in a much worse way.