Again, Toei is probably only doing this stuff to justify why Krillin, Tien, and Roshi are even remotely being chosen for the team over Goten and Trunks, simply because Toriyama wants those three to be used and Toei is stuck making an in-universe reason for it. Toyotaro is probably going to get stuck having to do the same thing; coming up for a reason in-universe for why the humans are getting added to the team.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Alright, so Kai is showing the episode where Videl and Spopovich fight and now I finally understand why people hate how she's more or less given up fighting and completely changed as a character.
Don't get me wrong, the fight itself is well choreographed, but Jesus Christ the wasted opportunities here...
edited 1st Apr '17 9:11:01 PM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
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Context! It's what's for dinner.
Do we know that it's Toriyama that chose them? Didn't someone say that Toei probably came to him and asked him to put these guys in and he went along with it? Cause I thought the same thing about him bringing them back and I'm pretty sure that's an argument someone gave to me (which is strange since so much of Dragonball has happened as it did because Toriyama just did what he wanted barring the Cell saga where he let an old editor's suggestions push him around).
I mean, do we know who for sure wanted the humans involved.
Anyway, I watched the ep. Yeah, that Kamehameha duel shouldn't even have lasted a second. 18 should have literally had to jump in at the first moment. I did like that Krillin learned to direct the disks, and pull off a stealthy move with the hidden Destructo Disk that sliced a hole in the ground. That's cleverness that'll be useful during the fight.
And Goku reminds me of a very important fact: he's never actually met 17! I'd totally forgotten that. It's pretty hilarious when you think about it.
edited 1st Apr '17 9:15:32 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!"Last actual fight"
Excuse...that was her only fight in the series.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Fan Service is non-existant from the 22nd Tournament onwards...
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I'm not saying strawman just because I disagree, I'm saying strawman because your argument "If you don't like it you just want Goku and Vegeta to do everything and don't want other characters to develop" is a strawman.
Frankly, a lot of your arguments are strawmen.
edited 1st Apr '17 9:25:23 PM by LSBK
To be fair, it seems a bit odd watching these conversations. It seems a lot like people complain about Goku and Vegeta doing everything right up until someone else is presented as doing something, at which point they (or just other people, I don't pay attention) complain that Goku and Vegeta are the only ones that should be able to do anything.
edited 1st Apr '17 9:25:57 PM by Zeromaeus
Ok, Spopovich readjusted his snapped neck and is now kicking the shit out of Videl. Jesus Christ, this is uncomfortable. At least it's only part of the fight, but god damn it this is fucking hard to watch. She's being fucking ragdolled here.
edited 1st Apr '17 9:26:43 PM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?At least the viewers know that if it wasn't for magical hax, Videl would've won.
Disqualified, but still.
edited 1st Apr '17 9:29:28 PM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Yeah. That was the point where it was clear Videl was in the deepest levels of shit.
The really sad part is, I still firmly believe she's a better fighter and his only real advantage was pure power. But when you have the power to reset your broken fucking neck, you don't need much else.
Edit:
'ed by Randomness, but yeah, pretty much.
edited 1st Apr '17 9:29:40 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!

I'm curious what Buu's ki felt like to all of the gods present at the preliminary fight. They only commented on Goku, but Buu should have god ki given his past diet.
Personally, I like that more of the cast are being used and I don't mind that characters are being raised to bullshit levels since everything shouldn't have gotten so bullshit for just two, once three to five, members of the cast in the first place. Its just whatever. I'm going to enjoy what's coming as long as it isn't utter shit.