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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#55076: Apr 1st 2017 at 8:50:08 PM

I'm curious what Buu's ki felt like to all of the gods present at the preliminary fight. They only commented on Goku, but Buu should have god ki given his past diet.

Personally, I like that more of the cast are being used and I don't mind that characters are being raised to bullshit levels since everything shouldn't have gotten so bullshit for just two, once three to five, members of the cast in the first place. Its just whatever. I'm going to enjoy what's coming as long as it isn't utter shit.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#55077: Apr 1st 2017 at 8:53:45 PM

Not even "utter shit" from Super bothers me anymore. I just read the reactions to the anime here.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#55078: Apr 1st 2017 at 8:54:01 PM

Again, Toei is probably only doing this stuff to justify why Krillin, Tien, and Roshi are even remotely being chosen for the team over Goten and Trunks, simply because Toriyama wants those three to be used and Toei is stuck making an in-universe reason for it. Toyotaro is probably going to get stuck having to do the same thing; coming up for a reason in-universe for why the humans are getting added to the team.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55079: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:00:08 PM

Ya know you can easily justify 17 & 18 being stronger by saying that Gero installed some evolution mechanic that makes them grow stronger without the need to train.

I mean how stupid a reason does that sound?

edited 1st Apr '17 9:00:21 PM by slimcoder

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#55080: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:02:16 PM

So...basically make Super 17 canon with a different method?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55081: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:04:44 PM

[up] Oh yeah that would actually be pretty cool.

Truth be told I really want Super to redo the GT arcs. Bring back Baby, Supa 17 & the Shadow Dragons so to see if they can do better and use the concepts to their fuller potential.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#55082: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:04:46 PM

Or the show could bring in Bulma and have her say, "Using the fact that I'm the smartest woman on Earth, I was able to install some microchips to make them stronger".

By the way, I'm terrible at writing character-specific dialogue.

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#55083: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:06:27 PM

[up]x3

Super 17 was the fusion of Machine Mutant 17 and regular 17, not quite the same.

@LSBK

It's not a Strawman, i just watch the scene in context. And you can just throw "strawman" around just because you disagree.

edited 1st Apr '17 9:08:23 PM by Cortez

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#55084: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:09:05 PM

Alright, so Kai is showing the episode where Videl and Spopovich fight and now I finally understand why people hate how she's more or less given up fighting and completely changed as a character.

Don't get me wrong, the fight itself is well choreographed, but Jesus Christ the wasted opportunities here...

edited 1st Apr '17 9:11:01 PM by AdricDePsycho

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#55085: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:10:44 PM

Oh shit and her only actual fight was her literally getting assaulted before her retirement.

No wonder people got pissed at her chickification. When put together it does not look good.

edited 1st Apr '17 9:16:28 PM by slimcoder

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#55086: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:12:45 PM

Especially since I think the Great Saiyawoman thing was anime filler; at least Toei tried to keep Videl relevant on some level after Toriyama was done with her.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#55087: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:14:02 PM

By the way, the ED seems to have Roshi using the Mafuba, so there is something he's contributing.

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#55088: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:14:54 PM

I mean, she'd be less useful than Yamcha in a fight, but if they could make fucking Krillin of all people get a power boost, they can bullshit a reason for Videl to get back into fighting. I want a mother-daughter sparring match with her and Pan, damn it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55089: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:15:02 PM

[up]X5

Context! It's what's for dinner.

Again, Toei is probably only doing this stuff to justify why Krillin, Tien, and Roshi are even remotely being chosen for the team over Goten and Trunks, simply because Toriyama wants those three to be used and Toei is stuck making an in-universe reason for it. Toyotaro is probably going to get stuck having to do the same thing; coming up for a reason in-universe for why the humans are getting added to the team.

Do we know that it's Toriyama that chose them? Didn't someone say that Toei probably came to him and asked him to put these guys in and he went along with it? Cause I thought the same thing about him bringing them back and I'm pretty sure that's an argument someone gave to me (which is strange since so much of Dragonball has happened as it did because Toriyama just did what he wanted barring the Cell saga where he let an old editor's suggestions push him around).

I mean, do we know who for sure wanted the humans involved.

Anyway, I watched the ep. Yeah, that Kamehameha duel shouldn't even have lasted a second. 18 should have literally had to jump in at the first moment. I did like that Krillin learned to direct the disks, and pull off a stealthy move with the hidden Destructo Disk that sliced a hole in the ground. That's cleverness that'll be useful during the fight.

And Goku reminds me of a very important fact: he's never actually met 17! I'd totally forgotten that. It's pretty hilarious when you think about it.

edited 1st Apr '17 9:15:32 PM by HandsomeRob

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#55090: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:15:13 PM

"Last actual fight"

Excuse...that was her only fight in the series.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#55091: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:15:31 PM

Its sad that shonen especially old-school is not a good place for women.

Poor Videl she was screwed from the beginning really even discounting the fact that she's human.

[up] Fuck that is bad then. Seriously poor Videl.

edited 1st Apr '17 9:19:33 PM by slimcoder

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#55092: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:17:09 PM

Well Toriyama could have just told them no, but he's really lenient when it comes to this stuff.

I also find it weird that Goku's the one going to find and add 17 to the team, and not the man's sister.

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#55093: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:18:21 PM

Shonen in general isn't good for women. To Dragon Ball's credit, it's one of the better shonen anime when it comes to handling female characters and hardly gets into fanservice after the first few arcs.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#55094: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:21:33 PM

Fan Service is non-existant from the 22nd Tournament onwards...

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55095: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:21:52 PM

It's not a Strawman, i just watch the scene in context. And you can just throw "strawman" around just because you disagree.

I'm not saying strawman just because I disagree, I'm saying strawman because your argument "If you don't like it you just want Goku and Vegeta to do everything and don't want other characters to develop" is a strawman.

Frankly, a lot of your arguments are strawmen.

edited 1st Apr '17 9:25:23 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55096: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:25:21 PM

Ya know we really should have more competent female characters at this point.

I mean we are just now getting a female Super Saiyan.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#55097: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:25:29 PM

To be fair, it seems a bit odd watching these conversations. It seems a lot like people complain about Goku and Vegeta doing everything right up until someone else is presented as doing something, at which point they (or just other people, I don't pay attention) complain that Goku and Vegeta are the only ones that should be able to do anything.

edited 1st Apr '17 9:25:57 PM by Zeromaeus

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#55098: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:25:52 PM

Ok, Spopovich readjusted his snapped neck and is now kicking the shit out of Videl. Jesus Christ, this is uncomfortable. At least it's only part of the fight, but god damn it this is fucking hard to watch. She's being fucking ragdolled here.

edited 1st Apr '17 9:26:43 PM by AdricDePsycho

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#55099: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:28:46 PM

At least the viewers know that if it wasn't for magical hax, Videl would've won.

Disqualified, but still.

edited 1st Apr '17 9:29:28 PM by randomness4

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#55100: Apr 1st 2017 at 9:29:05 PM

Yeah. That was the point where it was clear Videl was in the deepest levels of shit.

The really sad part is, I still firmly believe she's a better fighter and his only real advantage was pure power. But when you have the power to reset your broken fucking neck, you don't need much else.

Edit: [nja]'ed by Randomness, but yeah, pretty much.

edited 1st Apr '17 9:29:40 PM by HandsomeRob

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