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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54851: Mar 27th 2017 at 10:49:46 PM

[up]x5

Well, they did have bombs inside of them. Not an issue now though.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54852: Mar 28th 2017 at 1:59:45 AM

Warning: NSFW because the animator seems to love Male Gaze and Female Gaze jokes.

edited 28th Mar '17 2:00:39 AM by Soble

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#54853: Mar 28th 2017 at 2:57:12 AM

Except 17 and 18 don't use ki either; that was the whole reason why they couldn't be sensed.
Technically, they did use ki attacks and absorbed others' own ki attacks to further empower themselves. They just didn't have natural auras of their own... though whether that means they're the same as regular Joe Average with no talent or experience in Ki Manipulation or actually lack even Joe Average's minimal traces of Life Energy is something I have no idea about. And then there's the question of whether they can be sensed when actively using techniques that do generate a lot of ki, like that barrier 17 pulled out to protect himself in his fight with Piccolo.

edited 28th Mar '17 2:58:44 AM by MarqFJA

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54854: Mar 28th 2017 at 3:16:32 AM

No, Marq, they didn't use Ki. That's why they can't be found.

The ones that absorbed ki are 19 and 20. And even so it seems that they converted it to some other kind of energy because, again, they can't be sensed.

However, that still doesn't change the fact that Gero would likely find a way to increase Goku's power without losing access to his ki. We know he can do organic modifications and Goku wouldn't need the infinite power generation, he'd just need his natural biology's absolutely broken traits to be enhanced.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54855: Mar 28th 2017 at 2:20:14 PM

So...

I might have asked this before, but if so, it wouldn't be the first time I brought up a topic again:

What other characters in anime do you think would be able to ride the Kintouin / Flying Nimbus?

I'm curious as to who else would be capable.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54856: Mar 28th 2017 at 2:33:35 PM

Well, you've got characters like, say, Sakata Kintoki from the Fate franchise, who would be able to ride it because he's pure of heart in a similar way to Goku, he's not really a good person, per se, but he's basically a giant overpowered manchild.

Then you've got characters who are outright Pure Good, like Zordon. Most of the Power Rangers, indeed, I could see riding Nimbus. Especially the uber perfect original cast of Mighty Morphin'.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#54857: Mar 28th 2017 at 2:36:08 PM

How would Zordon ride it though; he's a giant head stuck in a tube.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54858: Mar 28th 2017 at 2:36:37 PM

You put the tube on it, obviously.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54859: Mar 28th 2017 at 2:38:49 PM

Define pure exactly?

Would the pure-evil argument work in this case?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#54860: Mar 28th 2017 at 2:38:53 PM

I know that Seiya would be able to, but I'm not so certain with Usagi Tsukino.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54861: Mar 28th 2017 at 2:45:25 PM

Nah, Usagi deffo can. For all her flaws, she's pretty much pure good beneath them.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54862: Mar 28th 2017 at 2:47:39 PM

Like say can Kid Buu ride it since he's pure?

Or...... I guess the Joker since he's pure insanity, evil and chaos all rolled up into one?

Or is it just good-pure hearted not pure in general?

edited 28th Mar '17 2:48:08 PM by slimcoder

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54863: Mar 28th 2017 at 2:50:00 PM

We don't know. It's possible that it might be the case. I mean, we know being 'Pure Good' isn't the requirement because otherwise, Goku wouldn't be able to ride it.

If 'Pure Evil' works, it broadens the list a lot, because most children's series tend to having flat villains who are pretty much pure evil.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#54864: Mar 28th 2017 at 3:01:45 PM

Except Goku technically is pure good, otherwise the Devilmite Beam would have worked on him.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54865: Mar 28th 2017 at 3:02:10 PM

Holy shit I, there's an awesome spoiler out there related to Buu.

If its what I think it is then damn this war just got even more cooler.

edited 28th Mar '17 3:08:26 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#54866: Mar 28th 2017 at 3:07:58 PM

I'm guessing he's going to bust out the old absorption trick again?

His first target should be the Grand Priest. tongue

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54867: Mar 28th 2017 at 3:12:10 PM

No, just because he has no evil in his heart doesn't mean it's all good.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#54868: Mar 28th 2017 at 3:22:11 PM

That's...kind of what it means to be pure good, to be without evil in one's heart.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54869: Mar 28th 2017 at 3:25:20 PM

I don't think that's what purity in reference to Goku is supposed to mean.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#54870: Mar 28th 2017 at 3:26:33 PM

There's always True Neutral for your non-good or evil needs.

edited 28th Mar '17 3:28:32 PM by Zeromaeus

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54871: Mar 28th 2017 at 4:12:10 PM

No, it's not.

Just because you can't think in non-binary terms doesn't mean that the world works like that, much less the world of Dragon Ball.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#54872: Mar 28th 2017 at 4:19:25 PM

....you obviously have problems then, cause that is literally what being pure good means; a person with any form of evil can not be pure good.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54873: Mar 28th 2017 at 4:22:21 PM

I'm sure Toriyama has clarified his thoughts on that in some interview. Something along the lines of that Goku is in the sense that he purely wants to fight and get stronger, and there's no malice there, but at the same time he didn't want people to think of Goku as necessarily a "good guy".

If anyone wants to look it up that might help, but the gist is, Goku not having any evil in him was never meant to imply he's entirely good.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54874: Mar 28th 2017 at 4:23:30 PM

Oh, I definitely have problems.

But at least I can fucking read. Well, either you can't, or you don't care and are just disagreeing with me because you don't like me. Didn't even read what I wrote or the conversation, just trying to 'defeat' me by throwing words at the screen.

edited 28th Mar '17 4:25:34 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54875: Mar 28th 2017 at 4:28:57 PM

Lack of evil doesn't mean you are pure good, several Ghost Rider villains have proven that.


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