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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#54776: Mar 26th 2017 at 11:16:24 AM

Thoughts on stuff:

  • There's 7 other universe with 10 contestants each that are gonna be fighting our universe, do y'all really think they're all godly level, or hell, even Piccolo/Gohan levels of power? I feel that out of everyone who's competing, the only people who'll give Team 7 some trouble will probably be Team 11, Team 6 and maybe some surprise team like Team 10 or 2.

  • Frieza's army did control hundreds of planets, but remember that whenever they took over, they decimated all life on each one of 'em. You can't sell planets that already have people living on them, that's not good for the customers.

  • Buu did a ton of destroying shit eons ago, and it didn't help that he killed and absorbed the only people who could've stopped him. Shin was there too, but as pointed out countless of times all over the web, he was AND is still a rookie Supreme Kai. Sure it's been millions of years since then, but the only people who's been teaching him so far just barely came out of a sword like a few years ago.

  • As stated before, Beerus destroyed 8 planets (technically 7 1/2) before heading to Earth, and it didn't help that his fight with Goku destroyed even more planets in the process, plus at the same time, Champa and Vados were also in Universe 7 so who knows how many planets they destroyed just looking for the Super Dragon Balls.

  • Also, just remember that they mean 28 planets with sentient life, not just planets total in the universe, or hell even planets with wildlife. Hell, we don't even know how many planets with sentient life we have in our real universe...

Essentially, Universe 7 needs to get their shit together if they want their mortal level to rise.

edited 26th Mar '17 11:20:27 AM by Rinsankajugin

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#54777: Mar 26th 2017 at 11:20:21 AM

@Rinsankajugin

Your bringing up how Freeza wiped out all life in those planets doesn't make sense. Because you still wouldn't get a decrease in the number of populated planets, since if someone bought that planet, presumably, someone moved in, or else they just bought a rock.

I can imagine that there were some that had been wiped but not sold yet by the time he died, but I can also imagine that once he died, people went and moved in since, y'know, there was nobody to stop them.

edited 26th Mar '17 11:21:37 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#54778: Mar 26th 2017 at 11:23:48 AM

Unless Frieza genocided entire planets to sell them to rich bastards who wanted a planet to themselves. The mortal level ranking probably doesn't take into account planets with just a person or two on them.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#54779: Mar 26th 2017 at 11:26:09 AM

Counterpoint: Frieza's a fucking idiot, who's to say he didn't blow up potential customers who didn't sway his way. I mean, look at what he did to the Saiyans, who were loyal to him up until Frieza blew them the fuck up.

Plus, even if they did survive Frieza's wrath, what would that even be? Like 1 rich person, maybe a rich family or, at best a single company residing on what's essentially a Mad Max barren wasteland? If anything those sold planets are like summer houses.

[up] Exactly

edited 26th Mar '17 11:26:30 AM by Rinsankajugin

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#54780: Mar 26th 2017 at 11:31:04 AM

Funny enough people thought Bulma and Chi Chi would keep Trunks and Goten out the tournament. Turns out Goku is the one who does. Poor kids :p

Wait, why would Bulma not want her son to join? She's more adventurous than Chi Chi.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54781: Mar 26th 2017 at 11:37:26 AM

So what I got from those pages of debate as that Super is fucked up with power continuity even in itself, and we're still arguing about whether it's flimsy justifications work or not.

Now I'm trying to figure out why if we basically accept the first part, why the second comes down to anymore than "personal preference".

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#54782: Mar 26th 2017 at 11:37:58 AM

[up][up]Maybe because the last time her son fought an enemy, everyone everywhere died?

edited 26th Mar '17 11:38:10 AM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#54783: Mar 26th 2017 at 11:42:40 AM

Those two are rater farfetched scenarios. Freeza had a ton of teams running around clearing planets. I don't think they were all bought by one single person each.

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#54784: Mar 26th 2017 at 12:14:54 PM

[up]You underestimate just how short-sighted and stupid rich people can be. Upper-Class Twit is a trope for a reason, not to mention the host of subtropes that fall under it.

edited 26th Mar '17 12:16:18 PM by UdtheImp

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#54785: Mar 26th 2017 at 12:16:19 PM

Thing is, I don't think that there were so many people with so much money.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#54786: Mar 26th 2017 at 12:19:15 PM

Is Chi-Chi even letting Goten do martial arts or is she pulling the same thing she did with Gohan right now?

As in no physical activities, just book work all the damn time.

edited 26th Mar '17 12:22:04 PM by slimcoder

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#54787: Mar 26th 2017 at 12:23:25 PM

[up][up] Sure there are. There are 28 clients.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#54788: Mar 26th 2017 at 12:23:29 PM

I dunno. It certainly didn't seem the case with the epilogue of Z, and it wouldn't make sense because Gohan actually wanted to study and was good at it, Goten seems about as smart as a rock.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#54789: Mar 26th 2017 at 12:39:51 PM

It also makes it very strange that Earth is a "backwater" planet, as it's been described for most of the series. That only makes sense if it's an utterly unremarkable place.

If it's one of only 28 planets in the entire universe with sentient life, you'd think that would make it, by default, one of the most important planets in existence.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#54790: Mar 26th 2017 at 12:44:10 PM

I bet the Daleks are behind everything.

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#54791: Mar 26th 2017 at 12:47:04 PM

All those bits with Jaco and Monaka gave me the impression that there are a lot more planets out there.

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#54792: Mar 26th 2017 at 12:47:30 PM

A thought to the Future Trunks arc; Gowasu and Zamasu go 1000 years into the future. At this point Beerus didn't split the timeline between Goku Black's and the one we're in. So the question is whether the future they visited is the main or Goku Black's

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#54793: Mar 26th 2017 at 12:55:25 PM

Huh here's something I just thought of:

Have Trunks & Goten ever went to Whis & Beerus' place with their dads?

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#54794: Mar 26th 2017 at 12:57:47 PM

Actually, Jaco himself said that there weren't that many planets with sentient life, and that the Galactic Patrol wasn't really a big organization in the first place.

edited 26th Mar '17 12:58:14 PM by Rinsankajugin

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#54795: Mar 26th 2017 at 1:24:08 PM

Dragonballverse is kinda small universe wise.Sure, it pretended to not be with Super, but it still is.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#54796: Mar 26th 2017 at 7:56:42 PM

The 28 planets with life thing is a massive plothole because of Freeza.

But whether it was a Toriyama fuckup or a Toei fuckup, I think, remains to be seen. Would depend on whether or not it's in the manga.

Wasn't "there aren't many planets with sentient life on them" straight from that Jaco manga he did?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#54797: Mar 26th 2017 at 7:59:48 PM

What part. Jaco begins years before the start of the main series, so if there were that few inhabited planets before Goku landed on Earth, that means Frieza must have really been fucking things up.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#54798: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:39:43 PM

"There aren't that many planets with sentient life" when applied on an universal scale can still be a metric fuckton of planets.

'28' gives us a definite number that is certainly too small to fit with the whole 'Freeza' thing that came before that.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#54799: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:52:29 PM

"There aren't that many planets with sentient life" when applied on an universal scale can still be a metric fuckton of planets.

Exactly. The arguments behind the Fermi Paradox suppose that even if a hundredth of a percent of the stars in this galaxy can support life, and a hundredth of a percent of those actually do support life, and a hundreth of a percent of those support intelligent life, there would still be thousands of different intelligent species.

And that's just in one galaxy out of billions upon billions that exist in the universe as a whole.

tl;dr: The universe is really big. Assuming Dragonball's universes are comparable in size to the real one (which I think most of us did before recent revelations), that's simply an absurdly low number of inhabited planets.

edited 26th Mar '17 8:55:36 PM by DarkHunter

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54800: Mar 26th 2017 at 9:02:25 PM

The writers/Toriyama not understanding the scale of the universe seems pretty likely. I doubt anyone really can even if they know all of [up] said.


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