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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#54676: Mar 25th 2017 at 10:39:45 PM

It's simple. If I know for a fact they're bullshitting about Western opinions, it makes sense to assume they're bullshitting about Japanese opinions, and I just can't call it out because of how difficult it is to look into myself. That's why I tune all that talk out.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#54677: Mar 25th 2017 at 10:42:42 PM

Wow. That's a much bigger generalization than what I said.[lol]

How do you know for a fact that someone is bullshitting? Especially when you admit you don't look into it?

If you're not looking into it, you really have no right to act like you know more.

edited 25th Mar '17 10:43:07 PM by Saiga

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#54678: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:02:27 PM

I remember being told that Japanese players had no problems with how the game Metroid: Other M portrayed Samus Aran. Then I learned that, no, that's not even close to being true. At least not on mk2, one of Japan's most popular video game review site. People there had the exact same criticisms as American gamers, they were just a bit more chill about them.

That's why I often distrust descriptions of what fandoms in Japan - or other countries with languages I can't read - tend to be like.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#54679: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:06:24 PM

[up][up]I think you misread what I said.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#54680: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:07:56 PM

I don't see how. Because I don't see how you know someone is bullshitting about western opinions in the first place.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54681: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:13:03 PM

The Power Level hate always seemed very misplaced to me. The numbers, or their equivalents, were just be used as one way to illustrate the difference in power, or to determine something else.

So many people seemed to think that if numerical power levels didn't exist than Frieza overwhelming everyone as much as he did somehow wouldn't be a ridiculous, and I've never got it. Numbers or not, those fights and scaling happened because Toriyama wanted them to happen.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54682: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:20:20 PM

I just realized King Piccolo and Zamasu had the same goal in terms of their wish; gain a form of immortality then prevent another wish from being made again

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#54683: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:23:41 PM

Have 17/18 always been modified at the cellular level?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#54684: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:25:52 PM

Yep. Bulma said that their modifications were mostly organic all the way back in the Cell Saga.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#54685: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:26:48 PM

This is the first time it's been phrased like that, but the Android/Boo arc did say they had very little mechanical parts and were mostly human.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#54686: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:30:03 PM

Huh i assumed it was more mechincal than genetic. So do they not need food? And will they never age?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#54687: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:30:44 PM

According to guidebooks and interviews they won't age.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54688: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:36:28 PM

Before this point, I was under the impression that they were augmented rather than altered, having extensive surgery and so on. But if this episode is any indication, the procedure was a lot more... all encompassing than it originally seemed. I wonder if that means if 17 or 18 were to lose a limb the same way 19 did they would be shown having flesh and such rather than wires and doodads like he did.

It's an interesting, if minor addition. The idea that they've been altered at the cellular level does make Cell both needing to and being able to absorb them the way he did make more sense.

Interestingly, using tech to alter people on that level also seems to be on the big cosmic no-no list, given that Shin seems unwilling to trust them simply because he thinks they're artificial and Beerus goes straight into "I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that" mode.

edited 25th Mar '17 11:36:45 PM by KnownUnknown

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#54689: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:37:08 PM

So....multipliers for Super Saiyan 4 and the God forms? tongue

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#54690: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:42:20 PM

I like how casual everyone was about Whis just popping Bra out without permission just so Vegeta could fight.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#54691: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:44:02 PM

[up][up][up] Could be a translation issue but I think it's because of the rules of the tournament, like how Vegeta originally objected to Auta Magetta in Universe 6 until he heard that he was entirely organic and only appeared to be a robot.

edited 25th Mar '17 11:44:25 PM by Saiga

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54692: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:45:41 PM

That's a good point. I guess there would be a point of contention there: is a fully artificial being a combatant, or a weapon being brought into the ring?

Depends on who you ask, and with Zeno those "depends" questions could end with someone getting erased.

edited 25th Mar '17 11:45:53 PM by KnownUnknown

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54693: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:46:58 PM

Felt bad for Vegeta there. Bulma didn't even take his word into consideration when naming Bulla.

I would have liked to hear the Saiyan name he picked out for her.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#54694: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:48:00 PM

That was a nice episode, very heartwarming. waii

28 planets though, that's some rough stuff. Doesn't help that Beerus destroyed a few planets at the beginning of DBS, and the Battle of Gods caused a few more to disintegrate. There could have been almost 40 planets with life before Beerus showed up, and even moreso before Frieza and his army took over the universe way back when. And don't even get me started with Buu's rampage eons before then.

Though I do wonder, does the 28 planets reside within the mortal part of the universe, or are the including the godly planets too? (AKA, the Kai Planets, Supreme Kai's Planet and Beerus' Planet)

edited 25th Mar '17 11:48:18 PM by Rinsankajugin

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#54695: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:50:37 PM

two most important things from this episode:

  • Even in the land of make-believe, the Kienzan can't hit
  • Beerus has been destroying planets despite their being very few of them with intelligent life

nice job jackass

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54696: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:53:28 PM

"I don't destroy things at random" indeed.

I love him throwing blame at Shin for not paying attention to power levels, when this guy literally blew up a planet of burgeoning (if primitive) warrior people because his takeout was taking too long.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#54697: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:57:01 PM

Oy oy oy, I just realized something funny: Vegeta wanted to name Bra "Echalotte", which is French for shallots.

Everyone calling Bra an onion last week were hitting it on the nail!

Also, Yamcha's inflated ego was hilarious, haven't seen him act like that in a while. [lol]

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54698: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:57:51 PM

I want the last scene in this arc to just be a shot of Yamcha waiting by the phone for them to call.

Any minute now...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54699: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:59:38 PM

Heh poor Yamcha. tongue

Maybe if he wasn't retired they would have considered him.

In Krillen's case, Goku already knows the midgets out of retirement.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#54700: Mar 26th 2017 at 1:37:45 AM

At least they're being honest about Yamcha.

I guess Roshi is 100% stronger than him.


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