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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54601: Mar 25th 2017 at 8:33:43 AM

Toriyama didn't pull Gohan out of the hero spot due to popularity. He said Goku was a better fit for the type of protagonist he wanted to write about.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54602: Mar 25th 2017 at 8:37:47 AM

Pretty much. Toriyama does what he pleases, and how popular a character is or isn't plays zero role in how he writes his stories.

Or at least that's how it used to be: Roshi and Tenshihan being involved in the Tournament of power (especially Roshi) must have something to do with popularity a little.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#54603: Mar 25th 2017 at 8:38:43 AM

[up] Again, I stand corrected.

"Mai waifu."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54604: Mar 25th 2017 at 10:57:54 AM

So I've been considering a bit of a what if:

The Spirit Bomb, the Kaioken, and the Instant Transmission:

If you could spread these three techniques out among the other fighters, instead of making them exclusive to Goku, who would you give them to?

In fact, lets also take Tenshihan's Kikohou / Tri Beam attack as well...and maybe Piccolo's Special Beam Canon / Makankosappo.

So go for it.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54605: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:05:13 AM

Kaioken is likely pointless on any human - they'd just die by overtaxing their bodies. Instant Transmission is something that honestly everyone in the cast should know. The Spirit Bomb is generally only a last resort technique.

Basically, everyone should learn Instant Transmission because it's got amazing utility and Piccolo should learn Kaioken. In fact, Kaioken can very easily be the thing that catapults Piccolo back into relevance, by virtue of his regeneration allowing him to push it far further than Goku ever could. Like doing Kaioken x100 or something.

edited 25th Mar '17 11:06:38 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#54606: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:07:32 AM

I'd give Spirit Bomb to Zamasu, mainly so I can see how large it can be while being fueled by his ego.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#54607: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:10:03 AM

The Spirit Bomb is only really useful if A. The enemy doesn't know about it and B. Half of the cast toss themselves at the enemy to distract them. Even if that comes together, the enemy has to not be able to tank it. So I wouldn't really give it to anyone.

edited 25th Mar '17 11:10:35 AM by LordVatek

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54608: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:10:12 AM

...Piccolo still uses Ki during regeneration.

You are right about Humans learning Kaioken. We've been over this already (something I'd forgotten) and in order it to reach a level where they'd be valuable, they'd have to utterly trash their bodies to do so....and they'd still be too weak.

That's still a frustrating pill to swallow (and it feels like a flaw that was invented so that only Goku could ever use it).

Instant Transmission would be useful on everyone else I agree.

I also think there could be some value in Tenshihan's Four Witches Technique / Multiform. Sure, you make yourself weaker, but if you combine that with something where your individual Ki level doesn't matter (KIENZAN), I bet you could still get mileage out of it.

Edit: If we're into the Spirit Bomb, I once suggested that maybe if multiple characters learned it and gathered the energy at once, they could speed up the process, but I think I was told it doesn't work that way (though to be fair, we don't actually know that, because once again, only Goku knows it).

Usually, when you have more than one thing doing something, that something is done much quicker. Once again, a situation where Multiform might be valuable.

edited 25th Mar '17 11:12:13 AM by HandsomeRob

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#54609: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:20:43 AM

I think it's less of a flaw invented solely to justify only using it, and more a flaw to justify Goku not just flying around in a permanent Kaioken x1000000.

Toriyama doesn't need a justification to not give the humans any pace-keeping techniques. tongue

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54610: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:26:19 AM
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#54611: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:27:52 AM

Except he does have a Kaio-ken x1,000,000, it's called Super Saiyan Blue.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#54612: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:37:07 AM

Blue Kaioken confirmed for Kaioken x10,000,000.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
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#54613: Mar 25th 2017 at 5:20:25 PM

I don't understand japanese humor.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#54614: Mar 25th 2017 at 5:28:53 PM

MY HEART! I CAN'T TAKE SO MUCH SWEETNESS!!

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#54615: Mar 25th 2017 at 5:32:23 PM

[up][up]That's basically just a Youtube Poop.

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#54616: Mar 25th 2017 at 5:40:07 PM

Today we learned Vegeta actually wanted to give Bra a Saiyan name. But Bulma named her Bra and that is that.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#54617: Mar 25th 2017 at 5:40:54 PM

Sounds like that Neodusk comic where Vegeta wants to name her Zucchini.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#54618: Mar 25th 2017 at 5:45:24 PM

I understand Whis even less now....

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#54619: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:30:20 PM

> Only 27 planets with mortal life

Jesus fuck, Beerus, you are terrible at your job! At least Shin has a justification, what is your excuse?!

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54620: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:32:01 PM

[up]Wait, is that supposed to be the limit to planets with life in the universes?

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#54621: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:52:29 PM

So Crunchyroll is going with Bulla instead of Bra. That's fine but I was hoping we could settle on translation.

35 year old white man.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#54622: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:55:17 PM

That's just super...

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54623: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:59:56 PM

My problem with Bulla is that it both makes sense and doesn't make sense.

Because we all know it's supposed to be Bra, but it makes sense to follow the theme naming for Bulma and make it Bulla, simply because Bulma is supposta be Bloomers.

So translating it to 'Bulla', which is technically wrong, would be technically right because it follows theme naming, which means it is adhering to the spirit of the series' naming conventions. But up until Bra, Bulma was the only member of the family whose name was translated incorrectly.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54624: Mar 25th 2017 at 8:05:15 PM

I say we riot.

Anyway:

Goku flat out says Goten and Trunks are no good due to inexperience, and Yamcha is going to completely miss the boat (he wasn't even on the list when they were naming potential fighters). At least they are somewhat acknowledging why some are chosen and some aren't.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#54625: Mar 25th 2017 at 8:06:23 PM

Yes, it's very complicated...

But it's minor...

They could've called her "Bla"...

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