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Sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5426: Mar 1st 2014 at 10:30:20 AM

Aside from just generic blasts?

Kai Kai: Kaioshin teleportation. Like Instant Transmission except a hundred times more broken.

Supernova: high amplification, low energy consumption, quick to perform, hard to dodge.

Flight: no duh. People usually forget this one.

Those are just ki abilities though. Favorite overall ability would be the Candy Beam. I'd abuse the shit out of that ability along with teleportation.

edited 1st Mar '14 10:40:04 AM by Sockpuppet1

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5427: Mar 1st 2014 at 10:44:35 AM

[up] Holy shit, can't believe I forgot about flight! Taking that into consideration he's my revised list:

  • Instant Transmission
  • Flight
  • Kamehameha

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#5428: Mar 1st 2014 at 10:45:39 AM

....

You make a good point about the Candy beam.

It's only been blocked in one instance, and that was by another version of the only character who can use it.

And it's faster than the Devilmite beam if I understand.

Ok, change my previous thing to the Candy Beam instead.

So Solar flare, Kai kai, and Candy beam.

Not quite the Five Moves of Doom, but still pretty effective.

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Sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5429: Mar 1st 2014 at 10:48:56 AM

Its main disadvantage is being slow. But it is still a one hit kill on anyone who isn't protected by special Kaioshin magic, and has a ludicrous amount of mundane and practical applications.

edited 1st Mar '14 10:51:24 AM by Sockpuppet1

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5430: Mar 1st 2014 at 10:54:44 AM

[up]Using the Candy Beam is a double edge sword. Because just like you said it's so weak and slow that it can be blown in a opposite direction and if the the person you turn into candy is stronger than you are then creates more problems than solutions because they can retain they're conscious and fight back and you wouldn't be able to hit them, depending on what kind of candy you'd turn them into of course.

edited 1st Mar '14 10:56:10 AM by FireShadow

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#5431: Mar 1st 2014 at 10:56:29 AM

To be fair, only one person was able to blow it back, and only one guy has been able to retain their consciousness while transformed.

Both of those situations were pretty unique.

Hell, how many people would even think of trying to blow it back anyway? That's the kind of crazy strategy that only Buu himself would think of.

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Sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5432: Mar 1st 2014 at 10:58:17 AM

It doesn't matter if they're stronger. According to the guidebooks, it only matters if they're Vegetto, who is resistant to any sort of transmutation. Everyone probably retains consciousness though. Just not power.

Also, the Candy Beam is a magic technique, not a ki one. That's why it wasn't on my list.

edited 1st Mar '14 11:01:32 AM by Sockpuppet1

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#5433: Mar 1st 2014 at 11:44:39 AM

Nobody wants Buu's regeneration and malleability as an ability?

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#5434: Mar 1st 2014 at 11:44:40 AM

Favorite technique... Galick Gun and Super 17's Shocking Hell Sphere/Electro Eclipse Bomb.

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FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5435: Mar 1st 2014 at 11:49:54 AM

[up][up] The techniques you select must be based on ki not magic

[up] GALICK GUN!! FFFFFIIIIIRRRREEEEEE!!!

Remember that? grin

edited 1st Mar '14 11:55:17 AM by FireShadow

Kaitenhammer Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#5436: Mar 1st 2014 at 12:09:45 PM

Final Flash and Janemba's abilities are my favorite techniques.

edited 1st Mar '14 12:12:18 PM by Kaitenhammer

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#5437: Mar 1st 2014 at 12:27:43 PM

Instant Transmission, the kaioken, and flight are my favorite abilities. The first two because they'd be incredibly useful and the last one because it would just be so awesome.

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#5438: Mar 1st 2014 at 12:31:28 PM

My three:

  • Galick Gun
  • Super Ghost Kamikaze
  • Instant Transmission

I think my love of the Galick Gun started from that godawful Dragonball Z: Sagas game. Vegeta (easily the hardest boss in the game) kept spamming that attack.

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alEKos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#5439: Mar 1st 2014 at 12:34:54 PM

are magic techniques the ones that ignore power levels?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#5440: Mar 1st 2014 at 3:37:38 PM

Well the Beam failed to depower Vegito... well, it worked, but he was still sentient. However, Vegito himself is a product of magic so the jury's out on that one.

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#5441: Mar 3rd 2014 at 10:06:39 AM

Sockpuppet, further up the page, noted that the guidebooks explicitly state Vegetto's experience with the Candy Beam is because Vegetto himself is resistant to transmutation, and is not a standard effect of being really powerful.

edited 3rd Mar '14 10:07:25 AM by TobiasDrake

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Sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5442: Mar 3rd 2014 at 10:27:50 AM

Yep. His Daizenshuu 7 bio states:

Being a combination of two Saiyans, his appearance hasn't changed all that much, and feels like a combination of Goku's face and Vegeta's hairstyle. He has both Vegeta's coolheaded battle strategies and Goku's pure fighting sense, and there can be no doubt that his strength measures even greater than that of a [Super] Saiyan 3. He is capable of transforming from his normal state into a Super Saiyan form. He has certain special characteristics, including that his strength doesn't change even if his shape does. He was born only once, and battled Majin Buu.

Magic techniques don't necessarily ignore power levels, but they're not tied to ki. Magic techniques include things like Buu's Healing Hands and Candy Beam.

Fun fact: Buu's healing abilities are stated in the Daizenshuu to come from the absorption of the Dai Kaioshin. Meaning Pure Buu and Buff Buu can't magically heal others like that. Not that they'd want to...

edited 3rd Mar '14 10:35:45 AM by Sockpuppet1

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5443: Mar 3rd 2014 at 10:58:03 AM

...Why did Buu lose his Buff thing?

Sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#5445: Mar 3rd 2014 at 11:28:49 AM

They took out Good Buu, and then he started transforming again, starting out as Super Buu, then he became Buff Buu again, then he became Kid Buu. Why? I understand losing Super Buu, which happened because Evil Buu ate Good Buu. But. I dunno.

Sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5446: Mar 3rd 2014 at 11:36:19 AM

Buff Buu is just Pure Buu with the South Kaioshin absorbed. Both Kaioshin should be inside Mr. Buu. So ripping Mr. Buu out removed everything except the original Pure Buu, so that's all he had left to revert to.

As for how he even transformed into Buff Buu with no one attached, and therefore nothing to make him transform... your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps that's just the way the power left his body. Or Mr. Buu WAS still lightly attached (as implied later), but not fully connected, meaning Buu could ttransform (as he did in an attempt to stop his power from draining, and because the Dai Kaioshin's goodness and intelligence left before the South Kaioshin's power), but couldn't maintain it due to the weak link, and just lost Mr. Buu's power and intelligence anyway.

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#5447: Mar 3rd 2014 at 11:45:31 AM

Don't Super Buu and Fat Buu have the exact same sources of power? Why is Super Buu stronger?

Pretty sure I've asked this before but I forget.

Sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5448: Mar 3rd 2014 at 11:49:19 AM

Kibitoshin stated that the Dai Kaioshin's gentle heart was holding Buu back and weakening him. When he shed the gentle heart, e.g. the evil inside him overpowered the good, he was no longer restricted.

Think of it like this. Fat Buu (normally far weaker than Goku) is a failed fusion, like Veku. Super Buu (far stronger than Goku) is a successful fusion, like Gogeta.

It is also very possible that they are the same strength, but that due to the Dai Kaioshin's restrictions only Super Buu is allowed to USE all of the power. This would also helpfully explain why Fat Buu gets stronger the angrier he gets, and would mean he hit his peak at Super Buu levels of power right before he split. His current form couldn't handle the evil power, hence why he "de-fused" and then transformed into a more appropriate form.

Also, from the way Super Buu talks about it, it seems like Fat and Super are split personalities of the same person, rather than being completely different beings.

edited 3rd Mar '14 12:00:44 PM by Sockpuppet1

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#5449: Mar 3rd 2014 at 11:55:38 AM

I just figured the temporary appearance of Buff Buu was a result of him reverting backwards towards Pure Buu in stages, rather than all at once. Possibly even as a conscious but ultimately futile attempt on Super Buu's part to maintain his form after he'd lost the parts of himself that allowed it to exist; Super Buu did seem terribly afraid of becoming Pure Buu again.

Like, if Cell had lost both androids when Gohan punched 18 out of him, he might briefly revert to Imperfect before sliding back to his base form, rather than going immediately to base form; especially if he's struggling desperately to keep his form, but ultimately can't.

edited 3rd Mar '14 11:58:16 AM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#5450: Mar 3rd 2014 at 1:30:52 PM

I think it's like, after having the south and Dai-Kaioshin inside him for so long, it left such an impression that when he started changing back, he briefly took on that form because it was a part of him, even if only briefly.

That's my way of seeing it. Considering how malleable Buu is —in multiple ways— it makes sense to me that he'd briefly revert to an old form before changing back all the way.

I can also believe that his becoming buff was an attempt to hold that form, or slow down the change back to pure buu (he did seem to be really struggling at that point, as though he was trying to desperately cling to something he didn't want to lose).

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