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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#54426: Mar 20th 2017 at 3:11:25 PM

And that's when I realized that we're dealing with It's a Good Life on a multiversal scale.

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54427: Mar 20th 2017 at 3:13:35 PM

He might not know (or, rather, care) about good and evil, but he does know what things he's been thinking about and such. Hence him deciding to go along with Big Wolf Guys plea to spare the universes if he wins.

Not that I think Omni-King would be particularly difficult too manipulate but it seems like a very dangerous playing with fire sort of thing, and so far we don't really know what the GP would get out of it.

edited 20th Mar '17 3:14:20 PM by LSBK

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#54428: Mar 20th 2017 at 3:37:35 PM

Zen'O is being portrayed mostly as innocent, not really caring much about good or evil because he doesn't really understand them. I imagine the Grand Priest is the guy who mostly runs the multiverse on a day-to-day basis.

Makes me wonder where Zen'O came from. I wonder if it's possible that Zen'O is not the original creator deity... maybe the child of the creator? It would make more sense than this little childlike critter creating entire universes, when he seems to care nothing (positive or negative) about the people within them.

edited 20th Mar '17 3:38:37 PM by DarkHunter

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54429: Mar 20th 2017 at 3:42:02 PM

No mention of a creator of the multiverse has come up at all.

edited 20th Mar '17 3:42:21 PM by LSBK

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54430: Mar 20th 2017 at 4:02:01 PM

I assume that the real Top God is Zeno's dad. I call him the Emperor of Everything

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#54431: Mar 20th 2017 at 4:05:16 PM

But I wouldn't be surprised if one came up, if we ever do learn about Zeno's origins. Could be a being so far removed from the multiverse that they don't give a fuck about anything Zeno does. Existence is just his plaything.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#54432: Mar 20th 2017 at 4:06:50 PM

[up][up][up] There was no mention of Zeno for a very long time either though.

edited 20th Mar '17 4:07:31 PM by Jedi1113

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54433: Mar 20th 2017 at 4:09:47 PM

[up]He's only become relevant with the reveal of the Multiverse. Omniking has been said to be, bar none, the strongest thing in existence.

I don't get why people keep expecting them to renig on that seeing as Omniking has never been framed as a fighter anyway. He's not an opponent to overcome, at least not in the traditional sense. I'm I also still don't get assuming their needs to be some big, creator of the multiverse.

edited 20th Mar '17 4:10:39 PM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54434: Mar 20th 2017 at 4:12:32 PM

Zen'O is too childish for some people, so there's a desire to see an authority figure higher than him with more maturity.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54435: Mar 20th 2017 at 4:16:06 PM

We know who the creator god of the universe is tho. It's the Toribot.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#54436: Mar 20th 2017 at 4:16:12 PM

Well, there was no huge need for Zeno either. Could've had the universes jointly ruled by the Kais and Go Ds, or even just the Grand Priest himself as ruler, no Zeno required.

Just saying I wouldn't be too surprised, considering we're probably going to get more lore on Zeno and his origins, assuming he didn't just spontaneously come into existence...

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54437: Mar 20th 2017 at 4:19:10 PM

I'm not saying there's no chance of something like that getting revealed, I just find it weird how ever since he's been revealed people have been looking for one reason or another to go "There has to be some real absolutely powerful God/creator of everything above Omniking." No, there really doesn't.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54438: Mar 20th 2017 at 4:43:42 PM

Likely due to a recent trend from this franchise to consistently introduce newer, "even stronger" top guys.

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Like way back when Frieza was the strongest in the universe -> but there was some plausible escalation because we went from him to an android that was 1/6th Frieza. Then Buu entered the picture and it was completely inexpllicable, but hey, any trick will work once.

But then Beerus entered the picture and he chewed Buu like a piece of gum, kicked Gohan in the stomach, and karate-chopped a Super Saiyan 3. He was an even greater god than the Supreme Kai, who was introduced as being "above King Kai" who was "above Earth's guardian."

Then there was a Super Saiyan even more legendary than the last Super Saiyan of Legend. But no, wait, Freeza actually has the ability to be just as strong with just four months of training.

But no wait, we have Super Saiyan Blue.

But wait, Anime!Hit and Manga!Hit can apparently punch Super Saiyan Blues to death. And that's when he's not even trying, that's Hit's Cherry Tapping strategy. Well at least Goku can't be any stronger than Beerus, who we know is weaker than Whis. And Whis is The Strongest One There Is.

Oh. Hello Vados.

And then suddenly we have more angels any of whom could be stronger than Whis. But hey, at least they're the strongest ones right? There's a ceiling now, right?

Enter Grand Priest, the Even Strongerest One There Is.

Why would we assume that "Zeno" is the top man when once upon a time we all thought Kami, King Kai, Supreme Kai, Beerus\, and Whis were the top guys?

edited 20th Mar '17 4:45:56 PM by Soble

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#54439: Mar 20th 2017 at 5:52:24 PM

Whoa, now! I wasn't really saying that Zen'O needs to be defeated or that there must necessarily be someone more powerful than him. That was just idle speculation.

My guess would be that, if there was an original creator deity who is not Zen'O, they're not around anymore. That doesn't conflict with Whis saying Zen'O is the single most powerful being in existence.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#54440: Mar 20th 2017 at 6:03:30 PM

I wonder how Goku is going to beat Jiren...

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54442: Mar 20th 2017 at 6:06:30 PM

Maybe Gohan will step up and-pfft, HAHAHAHAHAHA! Ah, sorry, I couldn't even get it all the way out.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#54443: Mar 20th 2017 at 6:08:23 PM

Jiren has some deep voice. Even deeper than Hit's!

edited 20th Mar '17 6:20:04 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#54444: Mar 20th 2017 at 6:11:27 PM

Part of me wants Gohan to become a Super Saiyan God, but even if he does, he'll still be a Saiyan jobber.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#54445: Mar 20th 2017 at 6:22:24 PM

I wonder how Goku is going to beat Jiren...

Plot twist: Tien finishes him off by Kikoho'ing him off the arena.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#54446: Mar 20th 2017 at 6:54:52 PM

Plot twist: Roshi will be the one to defeat Jiren.

The legend has returned.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54447: Mar 20th 2017 at 7:03:18 PM

To be honest, the way Goku keeps bringing up how much faith he has in Gohan and how great Gohan is in comparison to himself makes me wonder if Gohan is going to be the big hero of this arc.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54448: Mar 20th 2017 at 8:16:01 PM

Well, Gohan is arguably more of a hero than Goku.

We'll see. I'm not assuming anything.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54449: Mar 20th 2017 at 8:57:33 PM

Well the dude is most likely fighting for wife & child so even his motivations are more heroic.

It be a pretty good return for who was once the strongest unfused being in the universe. Hell it might even teach him to stay a little in shape cause while I have no problem with him being a retired family man there is also nothing wrong with lifting weights once in a while.

I hope Jiren beats Goku though.

edited 20th Mar '17 9:07:51 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54450: Mar 20th 2017 at 8:59:43 PM

That's certainly understandable, but it's not heroic.


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