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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54401: Mar 19th 2017 at 2:05:41 PM

Neither of those things are excuses, they're just part of the reason he is why he is who he is. That something has an explanation does not mean it excuses it.

edited 19th Mar '17 2:07:13 PM by LSBK

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#54402: Mar 19th 2017 at 2:06:27 PM

Goku does something stupid. News at 11.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54403: Mar 19th 2017 at 2:06:52 PM

It's been clear for a while now that people are upset at Goku not trying hard enough to stop the tournament.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54404: Mar 19th 2017 at 2:09:22 PM

The logic is just a bit inconsistent.

edited 19th Mar '17 2:09:48 PM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54405: Mar 19th 2017 at 2:12:13 PM

Not saying who's right either way, but it's pretty clear what's meant about it.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54406: Mar 19th 2017 at 2:15:08 PM

I'm not saying I don't get it.

edited 19th Mar '17 2:16:01 PM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54407: Mar 19th 2017 at 2:18:35 PM

On another note, Chapter 22 of the manga also confirms Future Trunks is stronger than Future Zamasu.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54408: Mar 19th 2017 at 2:52:05 PM

I myself have had a bit of a broken pedestal in regards to Goku.

I he's an idiot but its been hard to acknowledge the rest of Goku's true apparent nature.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#54409: Mar 19th 2017 at 3:09:57 PM

@VeryMelon where are you getting that Black is at 10% from? And that Vegeta is not transforming into Blue fully?

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#54410: Mar 19th 2017 at 3:37:58 PM

I wonder, what would Zamasu think of Darkseid? He is a god after all.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54411: Mar 19th 2017 at 3:51:56 PM

where are you getting that Black is at 10% from? And that Vegeta is not transforming into Blue fully?

Goku said it himself in the chapter. "In the very instant he attacks, Vegeta switches to blue." Vegeta only uses split-second bursts to counterattack, but because he isn't fully committing to the start-up of Super Saiyan Blue he doesn't suffer from the upkeep drain.

Black is at 10% because he re-transformed into Rose at all, and it's clearly not been that long since Goku and Vegeta were last in the future looking at Future Trunks. Paying the toll and all that.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#54412: Mar 19th 2017 at 4:17:01 PM

See, I still don't understand why simply transforming into Blue or Rose makes you weaker, when it's supposed to do the opposite unless the stamina drain is that great. But that contradicts the Anime, which claims Blue and God ki are a state of calm that puts no strain on the body.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54413: Mar 19th 2017 at 4:21:29 PM

It should be noted that the anime never gave ssb a high start up cost. The mediums handle them differently.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54414: Mar 19th 2017 at 4:25:50 PM

Boy are they lucky Frieza never bothered to train his stamina & Ki control.

He really is stronger than Goku.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#54415: Mar 19th 2017 at 4:28:41 PM

In hindsight, that means that Goku during Resurrection of F killed Freeza during that 10% state of Blue, doesn't it?

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#54416: Mar 19th 2017 at 4:35:02 PM

Freeza was back into his true form, after burning through his golden form. Without his golden form he is nowhere near god power.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#54417: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:00:30 PM

It should also be noted that a stamina drain is still implied in the anime version of the Goku vs Hit fight.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#54418: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:41:04 PM

That's because he was burning himself out with the Kaioken.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#54419: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:50:48 PM

He said that before he even transformed; he said this when he was still fighting Hit in his base state, to answer why he didn't just start in Super Saiyan Blue.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54420: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:53:10 PM

It's pretty cool how the Instant Kamehameha is still one of Goku's best techniques; the embodiment of Simple, yet Awesome.

Goku's just a great example of that in general. I can't remember a single major problem he's tackled since Super started that wasn't settled by way of "power up, throw a Kamehameha at it."

Hell, he just did it twice in a row.

On second thought, I forgot Black and Zamasu. But then, that's mostly because their relationship with defeat and victory is rather strange in comparison to other villains in this series.

edited 19th Mar '17 5:58:57 PM by KnownUnknown

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#54421: Mar 20th 2017 at 2:52:01 PM

[up] That's what Goku always does. Just throw a Kamehameha at it, see if it sticks. No need to fix something that isn't broken.

Also, does anyone else notice how the Grand Priest always talks for Zeno? I really question how much control Zeno really has over day-to-day governance of the universes. He might be vastly stronger than the Priest, but the GP could still be the de facto ruler if he can manipulate Zeno to a certain degree...

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54422: Mar 20th 2017 at 2:54:21 PM

People have been saying that for awhile, and it could be a thing, but I'm not going to assume anything. It's been made very clear that if Omni-King has problem with something or someone, he will erase them without a second thought, no matter who they are.

If he had a problem with anything the Priest says it would have been mentioned by now.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#54423: Mar 20th 2017 at 3:05:16 PM

True, which is one of my problems with the "Grand Priest is evil" theories. If the Grand Priest did try anything evil, Zeno could literally kill him instantly.

Assuming he's planning something, he could just be bidding his time. Maybe the GP knows of some obscure method to eliminate Zeno.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#54424: Mar 20th 2017 at 3:06:58 PM

If the Grand Priest did try anything evil, Zeno could literally kill him instantly.

Eh, I think you could make the argument that Zeno is too childish and naive to notice that the Grand Priest is manipulating him.

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54425: Mar 20th 2017 at 3:08:46 PM

[nja]'d.

What makes you assume that Zeno would identify concepts like good and evil.

The kid freaking plays chess with planets.

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!

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