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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#54326: Mar 18th 2017 at 5:46:50 PM

There's not way it would have gotten back unless it clung to Goku for the entirety of his battle with Frieza.

Since that's probably too far for Gero to get a signal, he'd have to wait for it to come back, and the chances of that happening are slim considering the planet blew up, and no one used the ship to return.

Even if he'd gotten a bug onto the ship, it would have never worked.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54327: Mar 18th 2017 at 5:48:16 PM

[up][up]The recent Manga chapter kicked that to the curb, so...

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#54328: Mar 18th 2017 at 5:51:00 PM

I mean, even in the anime Goku mentions to Hit that Blue required too much energy to start the battle with and he was saving it for later, which you know, kind of implies that Blue drains energy to use in the anime as well, just not as severely as in the manga.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54329: Mar 18th 2017 at 5:51:16 PM

As has been pointed out, the likes of Omni-King are hundreds of millions, possibly billions of years old.

Saying he hasn't destroyed the universes a thousand years in the future doesn't mean anything, because a thousand years is less than the equivalent of a blink to him.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#54330: Mar 18th 2017 at 6:00:22 PM

The point here is that Goku's opponents face obliteration right now because of him, as opposed to living full lives and dying before Zeno gets around to blowing everything up, and so have genuine reasons to be pissed the hell off at him.

edited 18th Mar '17 6:00:40 PM by Moth13

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54331: Mar 18th 2017 at 6:03:21 PM

I do not buy into that reasoning. Goku didn't go up to Omni-King and say "Erase the universes that loose". That is entirely Omni-King's decision, and blaming Goku only makes sense in the sense they can't possibly do anything to the one actually responsible for it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54332: Mar 18th 2017 at 6:03:53 PM

Its easier for everyone to hope that Zeno's plans won't happen for as long as possible, hopefully when there all already dead.

Goku inadvertently made it happen right now instead of billions of years later. They also most likely believe that there's more to Goku & prolly think he has some sinister plan that made Zeno do this. They don't know Goku & they believe his apparent nature is hiding something cause of how unbelievable he is.

edited 18th Mar '17 6:04:34 PM by slimcoder

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54333: Mar 18th 2017 at 6:08:14 PM

I understand desperation, it's harder to understand flat out ignoring what's right in front of you. When you have people acting like Goku is evil for fighting all out instead of letting whatshisnamewin, even when they heard that all of the universes will be destroyed if Goku throughs the fight, how am I supposed to interpret that?

This isn't saying Goku shouldn't have been more cautious with Omni-King, but people are greatly exaggerating his blame and control over this situation.

edited 18th Mar '17 6:09:11 PM by LSBK

AlphaVII Mecha and Waifu, become one! from A part of the endless starry sky Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Mecha and Waifu, become one!
#54334: Mar 18th 2017 at 6:16:56 PM

Man this episode had some really bad animation

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54335: Mar 18th 2017 at 6:56:52 PM

So, Toppo and Goku was inconclusive after all. Makes sense.

Goku was better this episode. More of his innocent naivete being obvious and less of him outright challenging the multiverse to lose a battle to the death.

Interestingly, Beerus accuses Goku of lowering their universe's level, and Goku counters that Gohan is probably raising it. The extent to which either of them really has a bead on Zeno's thought process is questionable, though Beerus probably has a better grasp of it than Goku does.

edited 18th Mar '17 7:00:19 PM by KnownUnknown

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#54336: Mar 18th 2017 at 6:58:00 PM

@LSBK: I figured that Goku should've thrown the fight, but make it not at all obvious. It's risky, but so is a lot of the stuff he does.

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UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#54337: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:03:35 PM

@LSBK: I think its sorta like a scapegoat syndrome. All the Gods are too afraid of objecting to Zen'O himself despite him being right there and instead blame Goku entirely. It easier to assume the worst of some apparent third party that's a little too chummy with the top boss and blame him for everything.

@Alpha VII: Somewhat agree. The fight between Goku and Toppo was beautifully done, but Beerus's animations at the end of the episode was atrocious.

Also, Bra is adorable and I want to see her and Pan play together despite risk of cuteness induced heart failure.

edited 18th Mar '17 7:05:40 PM by UdtheImp

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#54338: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:04:25 PM

His name is "Jiren the Grey", huh?

wild mass guess Jiren has a Super Mode called Jiren the White

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#54339: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:06:20 PM

I find it weird though that Beerus thinks Goku is bringing their universe's level down.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#54340: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:06:32 PM

[up][up]I want that SOOOOOOOOOOO bad.......

[up]I agree. If anyone Beerus should blaming Frieza.

edited 18th Mar '17 7:07:58 PM by UdtheImp

DAMMIT MARK, STOP HITTING HELPY!!
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#54341: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:15:35 PM

[up]True. If Frieza didn't blow up Planet Vegeta, we would have had more than two Super Saiyan Blue users.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#54342: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:16:03 PM

Well... Frieza is dead and suffering in hell.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#54343: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:16:49 PM

Wow, the animation was awful.

Toppo is an annoying blowhard. Can't he shut up for a minute.

Goku spending half the fight sandbagging is not an issue, that's in character for him. But everyone acting like he's actually in trouble was silly.

Man, this is not a good day for Beerus.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#54344: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:17:17 PM

[up][up][up]Given the nature of the transformation and the nature of the rest of the Saiyans. Probably not.

edited 18th Mar '17 7:17:37 PM by LordVatek

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54345: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:17:37 PM

Didn't Beerus tell Frieza to blow up Planet Vegeta though?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#54346: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:17:43 PM

Beerus finally realizes that he screwed up. Nice job.

[down]I can confirm that. My cat swatted at me for laying on my bed.

edited 18th Mar '17 7:19:59 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#54347: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:18:04 PM

Beerus is incapable of accepting blame. He's a cat. They're all assholes.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#54348: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:20:17 PM

Isn't a member of his race one of the Pride Troopers though?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#54349: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:27:42 PM

Not confirmed. I hope it its.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54350: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:29:31 PM

He's wearing their uniform & was standing alongside Jiren & Toppo in the OP.

So most likely yes he is a Pride Trooper.

edited 18th Mar '17 7:29:46 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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