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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54251: Mar 17th 2017 at 12:34:27 PM

Fusion characters are separate characters you can play as. There's no method that allows mid battles fusion.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54252: Mar 17th 2017 at 12:38:17 PM

Xenoverse 2 kinda dropped the ball on transformations. Frieza's second & third forms don't make an appearance along with Cell's second form. Their transformations are all separate characters meaning you can have a team compromised of first form, final form, full-power final form & Golden Frieza.

Also some of the attacks like Android 16's Hell's Flash are borderline useless & requires a miracle to actually hit someone with.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54253: Mar 17th 2017 at 12:48:33 PM

Frieza's second & third forms don't make an appearance along

<.<

Some people feel those aren't necessary.

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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#54254: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:11:09 PM

The last DBZ fighting game I played was BT 3, so hearing that transformations are their own separate characters sounds like a massive let down. Then again, BT 3 had multiple characters designated by saga.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#54255: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:13:13 PM

I feel like the Manga is such a double-edged sword lol; I'm glad it portrays Goku and Vegeta as the badasses as they are...but that results in opponents like Hit and Black looking pathetic by comparison.

Like, isn't SSG weaker than SSB? How the hell is Vegeta even beating Black in Rose form?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54256: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:16:19 PM

Even if the manga is better plotted, it just sounds to me like it's more boring and anti-climactic.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#54257: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:21:34 PM

I just want a Dragon Ball fighting game that has all of the stuff from the new games (avatar, original story, Super and what-if characters,) combined with the comprehensive character list of the Tenkaichi games along with the in-game transformations and flashy super moves of the Budokai games.

edited 17th Mar '17 1:24:47 PM by LordVatek

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#54258: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:23:52 PM

I was very disappointed to hear that Hit suffered from adaptational wimp in the manga.

Its good for Goku to have rivals that are more or less equal level to him instead of him being the strongest ever.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#54259: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:29:46 PM

It's not even that Hit was weak, Goku was just simply a better fighter. But unlike in the Anime, Hit never really comes off as a threat.

The manga justifies Vegeta's loss because of Vegeta using SSB in succession, and implies that he would have beat Hit had it not been for that. And Goku just straight up outplays him and the manga never pretends Hit stands a chance. Other than that, everything plays out the same.

Like LSBK said, it's better explained and plotted no doubt, but it just comes off as hugely anticlimactic as a result and nowhere near as exciting.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54260: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:30:49 PM

They reshuffled the power levels.

  • Super Saiya-gen God-oh
    • Hit
    • Supra Saya-gen God-oh Bleu 10 Percent
      • Supra Saiyah-jinn God-oh Bloo Full Power
  • Goku Black
    • Super Saiyan Goku Black
    • Super Saiyan... Blue.. Vege...

...actually I'm a little unclear on what the power levels are.

I thought Black was just kidding and punked Vegeta's Super Saiyan Blue while just in his ordinary Super Saiyan form before going to Rose. So now Vegeta can punk him using Super Saiyan Firered?

Makes about as much sense as Black losing his Super-Zenkai ability and getting punked by Vegeta in the anime.

edited 17th Mar '17 1:32:23 PM by Soble

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#54261: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:33:24 PM

In other words, power levels actually are bullshit :V

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#54262: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:38:58 PM

Except he's not fighting Black as a Super Saiyan God; both him and Goku learned how to transform between the forms at will now, so they're using God for speed and Blue for attack and defense, in order to circumvent the stamina drain of Blue.

edited 17th Mar '17 1:39:13 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#54263: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:42:48 PM

So... Blue is the new Super Saiyan 3?

edited 17th Mar '17 1:42:57 PM by LordVatek

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54264: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:45:56 PM

...apparently.

Funny given that's how Cell got the leg up on Trunks. Now it's working the other way around.

  • So we've had a new alien species show up and single-handedly wreck the strongest of Earth's fighters.
  • Frieza came back with an even stronger form that didn't have enough stamina to last against Goku.
  • And now Goku and Vegeta are using the "speed > strength" tactic against an enemy from the future.

edited 17th Mar '17 1:46:53 PM by Soble

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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#54265: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:52:01 PM

@Soble: I can't wait for Super Saiyan Leaf Green.

Yeah, the events that happen in the manga and anime vastly differ, along with Goku Black becoming a loser.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#54266: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:54:21 PM

Nah, we'll skip straight to Super Saiyan Diamond.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#54267: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:54:35 PM

That's sad cause from what I hear Black is the best thing bar none in the entire arc.

I am very excited to hear his tweaked dub voice when Toonami gets that far in over a year or so.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54268: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:57:41 PM

I actually didn't like him when the arc started - to me it was like everyone at the time just hated Turles but suddenly loved Black, and Black just sounded like a villain straight out of a fanfic, "evil Goku from the future, uses black-colored ki attacks, wears dark clothing and wants to kill all humans, oooh!"

But between him and Zamas chilling at a summer house, Black passing over immortality because he's already stronger than Kami, and the scene where he pulls out the scythe and he outright admits he doesn't have a clue what his powers are becoming anymore, the look in his eyes when he says it, I warmed up to the character.

Either that, or I just hated Perfect Zamasu so much it made Black better by comparison.

Having him use Super Saiyan and wreck Vegeta with just that was pretty cool. I'm eager to see this chapter and find out exactly what's going on here.

It's weird how the manga was ahead of the anime and I honestly thought it would be giving spoilers - now it's the other way around.

edited 17th Mar '17 1:59:05 PM by Soble

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54269: Mar 17th 2017 at 1:58:49 PM

The differences between the Super anime and manga aren't as vast as they seem, but the differences present are strangely important if you don't care for one medium or the other.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54270: Mar 17th 2017 at 2:01:54 PM

The best thing about Zamasu was the relationship between Zamasu and Goku Black. Because goddamn, the gif of them hugging will go down to history as one of the most hilarious moments in anime, if you consider the context.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#54271: Mar 17th 2017 at 2:04:45 PM

The sheer fact that Zamasu's best friend is literally himself is all types of hilarious; that is the most hilarious extreme of narcissism ever. It would have been even better had they just spent the entire arc complimenting each other like a bunch of shitlords.

It's like...they just love each other so much.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#54272: Mar 17th 2017 at 2:07:13 PM

I could totally watch a series of shorts that's just Black and Zamasu living in a cabin in the woods.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#54273: Mar 17th 2017 at 2:12:07 PM

Pray TFS does exactly just that.

That is perfect comedy gold material ready to be milked like the Cell Games.

edited 17th Mar '17 2:15:12 PM by slimcoder

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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#54274: Mar 17th 2017 at 2:15:11 PM

I can't wait until the tournament actually starts.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#54275: Mar 17th 2017 at 2:19:12 PM

Which one? TFS's Cell Games or Super's new arc?

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