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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54151: Mar 14th 2017 at 3:54:13 PM

Because they both look like they belong in a circus.

To be fair the first few villains of Dragon Ball Z were an alien species that turned into giant monkeys, and a space emperor wearing a thong and purple lipstick.

And let's not even get started on the Ginyu Force.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#54152: Mar 14th 2017 at 3:59:39 PM

They lacked cool designs really.

When I was a kid I absolutely despised 19 for having such a fugly design so I was cheering when Vegeat beat his shitty ass.

Frieza & the Great Apes were very menacing & the Ginyu Force were just plain fun.

edited 14th Mar '17 4:00:06 PM by slimcoder

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#54153: Mar 14th 2017 at 3:59:50 PM

So regarding that Super Saiyan Pan clip that was in that video a few pages back, I had a theory: Could it be altered footage of Super Saiyan Note?

This song needs more love.
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#54154: Mar 14th 2017 at 4:16:41 PM

[up] I hadn't seen it so I wouldn't know.

[up][up] To be even fairer to Toriyama, he does like to subvery audience expectations on who the villains are. Last boss of Dragon Ball was essentially an evil magical gum Frankenstein's monster who just wanted to wreck stuff.

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#54155: Mar 14th 2017 at 4:24:46 PM

[up] Z. The last villain of Dragon Ball was a green man named after an instrument.

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#54156: Mar 14th 2017 at 4:32:58 PM

Z is anime...Creator didn't write anime.

Dragon Ball Manga...no "Z"...

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#54157: Mar 14th 2017 at 4:41:05 PM

There are people in this topic right now who don't like 19's design...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#54158: Mar 14th 2017 at 4:41:37 PM

Z is also manga. Part where Vegeta, Trunks, Cell, Frieza, Buu appears, Goku & Piccolo are revealed to be aliens & Bulma dumps Yamcha for Veggie are in the part of the Z manga.

I mean I just bought a manga called Dragon Ball Z.

[up] Is that a surprise? Its not exactly the coolest design.

edited 14th Mar '17 4:42:20 PM by slimcoder

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#54159: Mar 14th 2017 at 4:57:32 PM

19 would've been cooler if he didn't have a nose...

Like Cell...

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#54160: Mar 14th 2017 at 5:11:52 PM

@Soble

Wait a second.....Pilaf wore a thong?

Never mind, you meant Frieza. I read that so wrong.....not like it's a better image though.....

edited 14th Mar '17 5:13:12 PM by hardcorefakes

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#54161: Mar 14th 2017 at 6:51:00 PM

Android 19 looks like Kim Jong-un.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#54162: Mar 15th 2017 at 4:41:16 AM

It wasn't even Toriyama's then-current editor who had him change the villains of the Android arc multiple times. It was his previous editor and friend, who no longer worked with him and had no authority over him. Toriyama simply took his advice on board because he trusted his judgement.

Toriyama wasn't forced to continue the series after Freeza, in fact that was when he had his most lenient editor.

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#54163: Mar 15th 2017 at 5:13:00 AM

From what I hear, a different editor forced him to evolve Cell quickly, too, saying his early forms looked dumb.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#54164: Mar 15th 2017 at 5:37:49 AM

Just the second form. Though I'm not sure how much longer second form Cell would have lasted without that, because the pieces were already in place for him to become perfect.

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#54165: Mar 15th 2017 at 5:58:33 AM

Perhaps that's a result of his editor too; I mean why else would 18 stay in the same vicinity as Cell knowing he wants to absorb her instead of getting the fuck out of dodge or Vegeta actively helping Cell become perfect?

That seems too much of two characters simply carrying the Idiot Ball to progress the plot, and it being apart of the decision to get through Semi-Perfect Cell would make sense.

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#54166: Mar 15th 2017 at 6:00:45 AM

>Vegeta and Cell are fighting.

Let's stay here and see what happens instead of escaping.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#54167: Mar 15th 2017 at 6:04:31 AM

Vegeta helping Cell is definitely something he'd do anyway.

18 staying is something that would probably happen because if she left, no-one could find her. No ki signature, no fucking clue where she'd go, nothing.

Besides, she makes it very clear that she is staying simply because 16 can't leave with her in his damaged state.

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#54168: Mar 15th 2017 at 6:08:07 AM

It'd be something he'd do doesn't make it any less of a dumb decision.

And that's uh...kind of my point; Cell wouldn't be able to find her either. It'd probably stretch the arc out a few more episodes, but the point I was making is that most of the period between Cell absorbing 17 and becoming perfect makes a bit more sense to me if his editor at the time told him to hurry things along to get to his perfect form.

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#54169: Mar 15th 2017 at 6:14:41 AM

It being a dumb decision is not evidence of editorial involvement when dumb decisions are the default. That's what I mean. Vegeta doing that is perfectly reasonable for his character at that point, it's not something suspect.

And no, it wouldn't be a few episodes... there isn't a way to resolve that problem. 18 isn't found FOREVER unless a new plot device is introduced to solve that. No-one can sense her or knows anything about her. So I doubt that Toriyama would want to separate Cell from the Androids again when he had to rely on a convenience to get them to meet in the first place.

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#54170: Mar 15th 2017 at 6:23:27 AM

So if Piccolo didn't fuse with Kami and went to fight the androids, Cell wouldn't be able to find them, and would just get killed by the Sayains after their training?

Dammit Piccolo!

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#54171: Mar 15th 2017 at 6:29:05 AM

[up][up] And I agree, I was just pointing how quickly and abrupt all of it went down, not that it went down at all.

And we'll never really know what Toriyama originally had planned, but we do know that his decision to rush through Semi-Perfect Cell was mostly an editorial influenced one.

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#54172: Mar 15th 2017 at 8:09:02 AM

[up][up][up]There wasn't too much he could do to avoid a fight. They showed up right on his doorstep looking for Goku.

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#54174: Mar 15th 2017 at 9:00:33 AM

[up] I remember discussing this in the thread a few pages back. [lol]

Also, I think Team Four Star has made a permanent impression on my brain. When I read that comic, I couldn't help but read Vegeta's lines in Lanipator's voice.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54175: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:25:17 AM

Nah, that tends to happen. I've actually forgotten what Frieza and Cell's dub voices were like. I struggle reading fancomics because I keep hearing Vegeta's Abridged voice. It's a good impression.

edited 15th Mar '17 11:20:53 AM by Soble

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