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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#54101: Mar 13th 2017 at 7:46:13 PM

So God Ki > SSJ 4?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#54102: Mar 13th 2017 at 7:48:55 PM

Fuck they lost. I guess it makes some sense but still.

Huh, so which is cooler, SSB Vegito or SS 4 Gogeta?

edited 13th Mar '17 7:57:32 PM by slimcoder

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#54103: Mar 13th 2017 at 7:53:22 PM

I mean, Vegito only really won because he could stack the Kaio-ken on top of Super Saiyan Blue, and barring Death Battle and one video game, we have no indication that Kaio-ken can be stacked on top of Super Saiyan 4 as well.

Granted, considering what both Super Saiyan Blue and the Final Kamehameha did to Vegito's one hour time limit, Vegito's use of both Kaio-ken and Kaio-ken x10 is...iffy at best.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54104: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:00:04 PM

Well it's the same for SS 4 Gogeta right.

Both powers burn through Fusion at a ridiculous rate.

I mean, I'm not sure if I really buy SS 4 Dance fusion lasting against SSB Earring fusion (since, despite the time retcon, it is supposed to be more stable).

Then again, both golden Frieza and Hit prove that it's possible to challenge Blue, so it's not so crazy. It's simply a question of whether 4 is on that level.

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Kosjurake The Wildest of Ronins from Tokyo LOCCENT Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#54105: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:21:28 PM

I'm not sure I'd buy them being equally matched until kaioken comes into play, even if we assume Super Saiyan Four somehow gives a similar boost as Super Saiyan Blue, unlocking Super Saiyan God, increases the base form level to ridiculous heights. So DBS Vegetto would have a much higher base rating then DBGT Gogeta before their respective super modes even come into play.

Admittedly, I'm far from an expert on dragonball, so maybe GT engaged in ridiculous power escalation beyond what Super has been doing.

Not to say the animation wasn't fun. Cause it was. I just don't think they would have needed kaioken at all to win.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#54106: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:24:30 PM

I haven't watched much of GT but from what I understand base form child Goku was stronger than Majin Buu, so... yeah, ridiculous power escalation.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54107: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:24:59 PM

Yeah the Gods power-scaling kinda fucked everything up.

At the end of GT Omega Shenron at his maximum power was the strongest being in existence & SS 4 Gogeta made a complete clown of him. So depending on how strong Shenron compared to say Zamasu you might be able to gauge SS 4 Gogeta. Fusion gives you a massive boost in power after all, Gotenks is stronger than Super Buu while Trunks & Goten combined are infinitely weaker.

Ya know now that I think about it, if Blue is the Super Saiyan of God base form then shouldn't it have an evolutionary line leading up to 2 & 3?

I wonder if someone made art of SS 4 B.

edited 13th Mar '17 8:26:08 PM by slimcoder

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#54108: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:28:42 PM

How high do you think Universe 10 ranks in the scale?

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#54109: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:41:08 PM

I mean, it was also shown in GT that you could make Super Saiyan 4 capable of much greater amounts of strength if several Saiyans donated power to the user; a combination of that and Dragon Fist actually let Goku blow up Omega Shenron on his own, and it would have killed him if it wasn't for him gaining regenerative abilities thanks to the powers he got from Rage Shenron. Plus, we still don't know what was the deal with the altered colors of Gogeta's Super Saiyan 4 state, so explanation-wise that could range from just Fusion messing with the colors to them somehow gaining something like an "Ascended" Super Saiyan 4 state.

edited 13th Mar '17 8:41:36 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54110: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:49:39 PM

GT and the Super anime have wacky power scaling.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#54111: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:53:43 PM

@ Slim: Actually, SSJ Pan still isn't in Heroes. I have no idea where that SSJ Pan animation comes from and it's really confusing me.

It's still a pretty cool AMV though.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54112: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:59:59 PM

Thas' bollocks.

SSJ 4 Gogeta 'shudda won dat no contest.

He looks cooler.

edited 13th Mar '17 9:04:55 PM by Soble

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#54113: Mar 13th 2017 at 9:02:21 PM

[up][up] Oh wow that is weird then. Yeah where the hell is it from?

Who defeated Copy-Vegeta? Cause I saw a clip where he took down SS 3 Gotenks.

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#54114: Mar 13th 2017 at 9:05:50 PM

Monaka defeated Copy Vegeta, of course.

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#54115: Mar 13th 2017 at 9:21:14 PM

All I'm gonna say is, a Potara Fusion between Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta and Super Saiyan Blue Vegito would probably cause the universe to implode on itself; Super Saiyan 4 Blue Gogito.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#54116: Mar 14th 2017 at 2:43:29 AM

For the yoctoseconds it'd last anyway.

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#54117: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:47:25 AM

I mean, didn't some GT handbook claimed that Boo Saga Super Vegetto might possibly be stronger than SSJ 4? In that case SSB Vegetto should be far stronger than Gogeta. This is tenuous at best, but probably the best we have.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54118: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:53:43 AM

Not stronger, it implied they were equals.

Not that I'm saying thus because I care about the video,but I remember it differently.

edited 14th Mar '17 8:54:49 AM by VeryMelon

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#54119: Mar 14th 2017 at 9:27:51 AM

Managed to track down the exact quote:

Merging With Vegeta! After Goku and Vegeta use a merging item to merge, they become Vegetto! They can furthermore become a Super Saiyan, making them Super Vegetto! After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!

So, bit of an ambiguous statement, but either way it suggests that Super Vegetto is somewhere around Super Sayian 4. That was Buu saga Vegetto, and Zamasu arc one should be incomparably stronger.

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#54123: Mar 14th 2017 at 11:25:15 AM

... *casually links the old Dragonball intro in German*

Oh gods, the show was so cute and silly back then. What happened to that

... so GT is still supposed to be canon, huh? I was going to ask how ridiculous the power levels would have to be at that point if it comes after Super, but I guess that question has already been answered. Or proven unanswerable, as it were.

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#54124: Mar 14th 2017 at 11:26:47 AM

[up]GT is not, and never has been, canon.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54125: Mar 14th 2017 at 11:30:08 AM

Oh god, why.

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