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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#54001: Mar 11th 2017 at 6:15:36 AM

Wait, just realized this. Maybe there isn't a new Super Saiyan form. Maybe it's a feint?

Hrh-hrm.

wild mass guess Maybe what actually happens is Goku realizes the Pride Trooper is somehow feeding off of his energy and the only way to beat him is in base.

wild mass guess But wait. Even crazier. The rules of the tournament are total BS and are oging to be twisted. What's the most shocking rule? You can win by ring-out now. But even more shocking? YOU CAN'T FLY. What are Goku, Vegeta, and the Pride Trooper doing in the intro?

And one more thing, Masako reviews Episode 81, assuming no one posted it:

edited 11th Mar '17 6:26:16 AM by Soble

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#54002: Mar 11th 2017 at 6:54:55 AM

[up] I'm pretty sure it means you can't fly back into the ring once you cross the boundary, because not being able to fly would make the fights way more boring.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#54003: Mar 11th 2017 at 7:57:54 AM

Really though, that was expressed as less of a rule and more a statement of fact. You can't fly in the World of Void(-oid-oid). Even then, though, there may be extra stuff later on that either counters that or lets the characters ignore that limitation.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54004: Mar 11th 2017 at 8:28:54 AM

It might depend on your method of flying.

17 and 18 apparently fly in a different way from the Z Warriors, so maybe it won't affect them.

No proof of this though.

Another thing I've been thinking on: since when does Toriyama care about Fanservice in the way that both Resurrection F and the Universe Survival Arc present it.

I mean, he's always just done what he wanted to do (mostly barring any infuence by editors like in the Cell saga), ultimately ditching a lot of concepts when he stopped caring about them.

This is a guy who killed off Vegeta because people asked him not too (sure, he knew he was gonna bring him back later, but still).

It seems weird for him to be catering to fans now. In fact, if he really wanted to do Fanservice, he would put Goten and Trunks in, since I'm sure many would like to see Gotenks properly kick some ass instead of being played as incompetent comic relief.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54005: Mar 11th 2017 at 8:42:14 AM

Saying "it's just fanservice" though makes it sound awfully reductive, but alas.

I don't necessarily consider fanservice a bad thing, so I can't agree. It can be done poorly but so can anything. Some of the best moments in this, or any other series, could accurately be described as fanservice. It's just that it's good fanservice. And that's not even saying I expect anything with Tien or Roshi to be bad, that wasn't what the dispute was about.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#54006: Mar 11th 2017 at 8:59:39 AM

Really though, there are likely two reason Roshi and Tien are on the team. Either Toriyama just decided he wanted them in, so they are, or Toei asked Toriyama if they could be in a future/this story for merchandising/advertising reasons, and he accepted.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54007: Mar 11th 2017 at 9:05:05 AM

I can grok go with that.

Edit: <realizes he has no idea what he meant by "grok">

edited 11th Mar '17 9:44:58 AM by HandsomeRob

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#54008: Mar 11th 2017 at 9:37:44 AM

Roshi's only possible contribution to this fight would be to die instantly to a strong opponent to have them be disqualified from the fight....unless Zeno/Grand Priest won't disqualify people (even with the no killing rule), in which case Roshi just died for nothing.

Not like he would've done much alive though. You could replace him with a toilet, and have the same net result (unless the other universes dirt-tier fighters too).

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#54009: Mar 11th 2017 at 9:51:04 AM

The fanservice thing is the reason why Fembroly was created.

Let's just hope her story doesn't suck.

I WANT HER ENGAGED TO CABBA, only to have an scenario where Vegeta is the best man.

And please, her name better not be Sarada like the planet.

edited 11th Mar '17 9:52:16 AM by Tomodachi

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54010: Mar 11th 2017 at 9:54:24 AM

So for a new topic:

I'd agree with all of these. I'd also add his handling of Namek as a whole (just killing the Namekians and trying force them to do what he wanted) which pretty much made the entire thing a "Shaggy Dog" Story for him from the get go (since he killed nearly everyone who could have told him the password), as well as his massive revenge boner and his inability to read the situation (trying to take revenge on Goku 4 fucking times, and not just going back to his empire after being saved twice).

In fact, I've been wondering something about Frieza: He was pretty much the top dog of the universe by virtue of being both the most powerful mortal around, and having all the next most powerful beings as his direct minions. I've seen some referring to him as the closest thing to a universal government. He went around conquering planets, and selling them to other people...accept he already ruled everything. What did he need the money for?

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DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#54011: Mar 11th 2017 at 10:16:00 AM

So the Bardock special is the Shōnen equivalent of a classical tragedy. Interesting.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54012: Mar 11th 2017 at 11:46:19 AM

I just wanted to mention this but apparently Tien has the potential for enlightenment superpowers & is just being held back.

Sure Toriyama only said that in a magazine responding to fan mail a while ago but still it be cool if Tien really does get these so called God-like powers after fully escaping his corruption.

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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#54013: Mar 11th 2017 at 12:46:38 PM

I'd be up for Tien becoming very powerful.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54014: Mar 11th 2017 at 1:11:45 PM

As long as whatever new thing he pulls out in the tournament isn't just "a bigger, even stronger Kikoho!" again.

Granted this is mostly the video games' fault, but it feels like he's become "the Kikoho guy." Same with Krillin and the Kiezan, though a little less so.

edited 11th Mar '17 2:03:39 PM by KnownUnknown

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#54015: Mar 11th 2017 at 2:50:45 PM

The Kikoho, amusingly, has never actually done damage to his enemies, that I recall.

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#54016: Mar 11th 2017 at 3:05:56 PM

Has Tenshinhan ever used the Dodonpa?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#54017: Mar 11th 2017 at 3:20:54 PM

I am almost certain that he has but I can't pin a specific instance. I think maybe during his fight with Goku?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54018: Mar 11th 2017 at 3:22:36 PM

Nope. chiaoutzu has used it, but if Tien does know it, he's never attempted it from what I remember.

But I'm sure I'll be proven wrong in due time.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#54019: Mar 11th 2017 at 3:22:37 PM

I think I recall a scene in the anime where he shot 4 Dodonpas at Goku in multiform.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#54020: Mar 11th 2017 at 3:28:13 PM

Yes, Tenshinhan used the Dodonpa in his fight with Goku during the 22nd Budokai. The only time he's used it in the manga.

I just wanted to mention this but apparently Tien has the potential for enlightenment superpowers & is just being held back.

Sure Toriyama only said that in a magazine responding to fan mail a while ago but still it be cool if Tien really does get these so called God-like powers after fully escaping his corruption.

That would be absurd. Tenshinhan has been free of his corruption for decades now without any powers to show for it. And if the only thing holding Tenshinhan back from being God tier since his first appearance was his personality, that would be one of the most illogical power retcons used in this series.

Besides, the Toriyama interview only mentioned the eyes 'mystical abilities' nothing about potentially giving him relevant power. And it's an old interview that has never been referenced again, and has been contradicted by new material claiming he is a descendant of aliens.

edited 11th Mar '17 3:30:56 PM by Saiga

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#54021: Mar 11th 2017 at 4:11:57 PM

Can I just mention that "Kikouhou" is the most generic name a move could possibly have? No wonder the dub called it the Tri-beam.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#54022: Mar 11th 2017 at 4:20:03 PM

Kinda funny too, considering the sheer destructive force it's capable of.

I've often wondered how much other, more powerful characters could get out of it.

But very few characters in this series bother to learn each other's techniques or apply some of the principles behind them to other attacks.

Sure, plenty of people know the Kamehameha, and Trunks has figured out a few of Vegeta and Gohan's techniques, but beyond that.

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#54023: Mar 11th 2017 at 4:22:57 PM

Vegeta also apparently used Trunks' Heat Dome Attack against Beerus in the manga.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#54024: Mar 11th 2017 at 4:26:25 PM

That's really more of a nod than anything else. Heat Dome Attack is just a video game name for a one time ki attack Trunks did where Vegeta didn't see it, and most ki attacks are improvisational.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54025: Mar 11th 2017 at 4:26:40 PM

I mean how come no one else learned the Kaio-Ken?

I mean its not like they have to fully master it like Goku but even level 1 gives a good enough boost.

That's something cool in Xenoverse, all the races can learn Kaio-Ken & it is an effective substitute till they gain their race-exclusive transformations.

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