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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#53026: Feb 25th 2017 at 7:53:41 PM

[up]

Should have been more patient Zamasu!evil grin

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#53027: Feb 25th 2017 at 7:59:06 PM

Actually, that makes me think; how far in the future did Black come from that allowed him to not only continue existing in Universe 10, but manage to steal Goku's body before Universe 7 was destroyed by Zeno? Hell, how did Trunks' timeline survive for as long as it did without Zeno pulling this same destruction stunt?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#53028: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:02:25 PM

Zeno didn't become aware of it until Goku pressed the Zen'O button.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#53029: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:05:13 PM

No, but that universe should also be considered for destruction well before even the events of the Black arc.

It's just like our universe 7 only even shittier

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#53030: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:07:46 PM

Especially after Black-masu literally killed everyone other race in the universe.

Even if they'd survived, the moment Future Zen'O found out there was nothing left there anymore, they were gonna get nuked.

Wow. There's was never gonna be a happy ending for Trunk's future was there.

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#53031: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:08:19 PM

The grand priest could just be taking the average score after measuring everybody in the universe, considering Zeno already planned to destroy the universes before this. As in measuring the total power level in a universe and dividing it by the population. If it was just by strength of their strongest fighters, then U6 should be lower because only Hit is comparable to Goku and Vegeta. Goku and the Z-warriors just aren't strong enough to bring up the average, but the tournament between Champa and Beerus showed Zeno that there probably people in the universes he wants to destroy that are way more stronger than their universe's average would suggest.

It makes sense when the Freiza of U6 don't go around exterminating anyone who could be a threat and the Saiyans still being alive, with Cabba being able to fight Vegeta in base.

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#53032: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:21:51 PM

I'm wondering what the final fate of the current Future Universe is, with two Trunks. The Goku Black Future Trunks is probably the only powerful fighter left in U7, with the native Future Trunks being a distant second.

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#53033: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:29:18 PM

wild mass guess Trunks is going to become the Super Saiyan God thanks to his alternate self and him having twins with the two Mais, so Beerus will be impressed wild mass guess

There, I just gave Trunks a little hope with my headcanon. Of course, this just brings to question how Trunks will fight in his Champa saga.

wild mass guess Trunks will awaken Android 16, so there will be at least three fighters in the Champa saga wild mass guess

Yeah, idea taken from Dragon Ball Multiverse, bite me.

wild mass guess By losing the Champa tournament, the future Earth is moved to Universe 6, saving Trunks, Trunkstwo and 16 from Zeno anhiliation wild mass guess

So the two Trunks will survive Universe 7 destruction.

Or:

wild mass guess By making Trunks a time patroller, Chronoa has saved the future Universe 7 wild mass guess

So... yay?

I'm out of ideas!

edited 25th Feb '17 8:35:59 PM by Tomodachi

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#53034: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:36:18 PM

I wonder how the universes are ranked.

But yea, Gohan had a good showing even if it was a tie and it just gives him an incentive to improve.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53035: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:38:01 PM

[up][up][up] Shit Future Trunks is just screwed overall.

No wonder he became a time patroller. The fucking job security is where its at.

edited 25th Feb '17 8:39:04 PM by slimcoder

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#53036: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:40:58 PM

Interestingly, this episode turns the "Goku is responsible for the destruction of the universes" idea on its head. Given the way the Priest lays it out, it seems what Goku actually did was give the weaker universes a fighting chance to survive - albeit at each other's expense. It's still horrible, but this revelation puts more of the blame into the system itself.

Though at the same time I wonder, was power level the litmus Zenou was using for discarding universes before the interest in tournaments made him pay attention to it? From the way the Priest described it, it seemed like he was just planning on discarding a few universes, and the tournament not only gave him an excuse to to do so but - via battle power - a way of judging which ones were more worthwhile in general. If so, Goku still has partial fault, but only in the sense that he aimed the gun that was being pointed haphazardly at everyone anyway.

The episode also frees up at least four universes for adventures in future arcs by default, and actually introduces a situation where the protagonists are true underdogs (in a big pond, no less) for the first time in ages (as Beerus is an... odd situation) which is nice.

edited 25th Feb '17 8:42:43 PM by KnownUnknown

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#53037: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:42:56 PM

Gohan has already improved greatly from his mostly offscreen training with Piccolo.

The last few times he was in a serious fight, he was (1) dead even with a guy who was only as strong as the last dude he fought due to being massively rusty; (2) completely outmatched by Super Buu-tenks-colo;

Now he's using his other senses when he can't see or sense ki, and even finding a way to overcome not being able to just listen.

The Ki as a active radar trick was balls out awesome. I'm surprised we've never seen something like that in the series before.

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#53038: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:11:41 PM

OK, so I'm watching Dragon Ball Z Kai's take on the Buu Saga, and I just laughed out loud when the old announcer of the tournaments in Dragon Ball told Piccolo "don't blow up the arena like last time".

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#53039: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:24:40 PM

Is this what makes Gohan make it so every human in the future in heroes and xenoverse can use ki? "I better get all humans up to snuff, so we don't get wiped out."

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53040: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:27:55 PM

Huh looking at Kai no wonder Zeno thinks Universe 7 is weak. Earth is fucking shit.

Also it is legitimately annoying how nearly everyone on the planet sucks Hercules' dick. Seriously does the guy not have one hater or think he's overhyped?

edited 25th Feb '17 9:28:09 PM by slimcoder

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#53041: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:29:50 PM

[up] The Buu saga redeemed him, and Super first episode finished the job: under all that ego, there is the soul of a true heroic character.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#53042: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:30:49 PM

[up][up]he did save the earth, and then the universe.

also I know it's the quality of mortals power levels, but I would laugh if it's strong fighters, they have 3 ish strong fighter all total

edited 25th Feb '17 9:31:13 PM by Deadpoolrocks

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#53043: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:31:35 PM

Of course he has haters, everyone he's ever beaten...

edited 25th Feb '17 9:31:52 PM by randomness4

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53044: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:32:29 PM

Its not Hercule I have a problem with.

Its just all the people constantly cheering for him & saying he's the greatest. Their fan-boyism just annoys me.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#53045: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:34:09 PM

I don't think he was as respected everywhere as the single greatest human ever until he "beat cell"

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#53046: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:37:50 PM

So if the angels knew about the culling happening why would 11 train a new god of destruction? It makes me think that originally only the lowest 2 or so were going to be destroyed but Zeno met Goku and decided on giving him a chance with a tournament. Even if this isn't true I can see Toppo or some of the others thinking this and blaming Goku for dooming more universes in an attempt to save his own.

edited 25th Feb '17 9:38:15 PM by Jedi1113

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#53047: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:41:53 PM

Even the people he's beaten think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, though, they just think the way to deal with it is by making themselves even greater. So far, everybody on Earth buys everything he says, which likely didn't help things. If the protagonists had remained in the public eye after Piccolo, people would at least still be using ki.

Universe 7 being just above shit tier makes sense overall: Earth, where our heroes were trained (or created, in two cases), is a backwater that as a whole currently doesn't accept the idea of ki anyway. Our heroes have been content to accept nobody on Earth but their immediate group getting stronger as they have. Most of the rest of the universe we know of was under the control of Freeza, who never trained a day in his life and either wiped out or rigidly controlled (or both) those with the potential to become powerful - ensuring he was an outlier (who never even bothered to reach his full potential). Majin Buu was an even more extreme outlier, being a creature of unprecedented power created to challenge the Kai - and given Beerus criticism of Shin this episode (and Zamasu in general), I would be inclined to believe that due to his hands-off attitude Shin isn't particularly strong for a Kai either (though he wasn't counted in Zeno's assessment).

This added up to higher power levels being an extreme anomaly even when taking into account all of reality. Outside of the small surviving group of fighters we've met (the majority of whom are going to be in the tournament), literally everyone else in the universe is driving the average way down.

Whereas if, say, in Universe 6 the average person still knew ki control and the average species were allowed to grow, even if most people are still far weaker than the strongest fighters their universal average wouldn't be near as bad.

On an unrelated note, I just realized that Spopovich and Yamu made a (proverbial) Deal with the Devil in order to defeat Satan.

edited 25th Feb '17 10:02:10 PM by KnownUnknown

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#53048: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:46:51 PM

the obvious solution to this is to destroy every planet but earth to raise the average

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#53049: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:50:18 PM

[up] Might as well take out every unnamed earthling too.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#53050: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:52:44 PM

Considering how slowly time passes, repopulating isn't much of an issue.

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