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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#52776: Feb 23rd 2017 at 9:36:53 AM

Ya know, there better be some sort of pay off to all of this because I will be extremely disappointed if this is just fluff.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#52777: Feb 23rd 2017 at 12:58:04 PM

I think it might be Character Derailment to a certain extent.Yes, Goku's definetely a Blood Knight , but this does slightly border on Flanderization.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52778: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:02:08 PM

People have been claiming flanderization for awhile now. This sort of goes beyond even that. Or, it might, depending on how this is handled.

edited 23rd Feb '17 1:03:37 PM by LSBK

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#52779: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:03:44 PM

Forced steaks.Can't just have a fun regular tournament ever.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52780: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:08:05 PM

Considering Toonami is airing Kai & Super back to back, I think you can attempt to contrast how battle hungry Goku appears in both shows.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#52781: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:14:56 PM

I wonder how many fights will be shown.U6,U7 and U10 ones?

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#52782: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:32:28 PM

I mean, in Buu saga Goku decided against having an all out battle with Buu because he though it would be better in the long run if the living dealt with it. While it's questionable whatever it was actually a wise choice, it shows that he had other considerations beyond just fighting strong guys.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#52783: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:42:51 PM

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Except it's not, it's actually perfectly in character. Even Toriyama has pointed out how selfish Goku can be.

[up]4

Steaks? What does meat have to do with anything?

edited 23rd Feb '17 1:44:30 PM by Cortez

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#52784: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:45:41 PM

[up]Though its doubtful Goku would selfish enough to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of trillions of innocents just to fight opponents at their best. Unless Toriyama decides full on Flanderization on us right here.

Also, dude meant "stakes."

edited 23rd Feb '17 1:46:12 PM by UdtheImp

DAMMIT MARK, STOP HITTING HELPY!!
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#52785: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:46:39 PM

[up][up]Meat is always relevant when talking about Goku.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52786: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:48:31 PM

[up] As is with Luffy. tongue

[up][up][up] I think there's a limit to how selfish he can be. Isn't he supposed to be a relatively decent person? You can only be so selfish until you can officially qualify as a fucking asshole.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#52787: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:49:09 PM

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Except if he throws the fight, the multiverse will also be endangered.

And you're wrong anyway, Goku has made several selfish choices that have endangered everyone in the past too. So again, perfectly in character.

edited 23rd Feb '17 1:52:22 PM by Cortez

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#52788: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:53:23 PM

[up]I only see that possible if Zen'O is that disappointed that Goku lost that he goes with the universe destroying thing anyway regardless, but the Zen'Os seem nice enough to let it slide, and if Goku is clever enough he could make it look like he legit lost instead of throwing the fight.

Unless the Grand Priest somehow manipulates things. MAN, that guy is so shifty.....

DAMMIT MARK, STOP HITTING HELPY!!
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#52789: Feb 23rd 2017 at 1:58:10 PM

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Is that what you think, you haven't been paying attention to the Zen'os at all. We already saw them destroying planets for fun.

That warning that they might erase universe 9 and 7 if they are bored, was not an empty.

Look, if Zen'o has a favorite in this, it's Goku. So i doubt he'd take well if Goku intentionally lost a fight.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52790: Feb 23rd 2017 at 2:01:33 PM

Goku has done some selfish, misguided things, but there was (almost) always something more to it than just "I want to fight a strong guy". Him actually going "Fuck all those Universes, I want a real fight" would not be in character for him, even taking into consideration the other stupid things he's done.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#52791: Feb 23rd 2017 at 2:04:50 PM

I agree with this.

I'm sure he's gonna try and throw the fight (while still making it look good) in order to get rid of the universe destroying rule.

That is, providing something doesn't go wrong to kibosh that plan (like the Grand Priest seeing through it or something and saying that if Goku keeps sandbagging, Universe 7 is destroyed anyway).

Of course, how sure are we that this spoiler is for real anyway? Are we positive it's not incorrect or something?

One Strip! One Strip!
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#52792: Feb 23rd 2017 at 2:06:34 PM

[up][up]

If that's what you think, then you don't know Goku at all.

And it wouldn't be that he doesn't care, it's just that he cares about his universe more

Plus he did think of asking Zen'o to reconsider, but Whis warned him against it.

edited 23rd Feb '17 4:03:29 PM by Cortez

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52793: Feb 23rd 2017 at 2:12:42 PM

[up]Or I have a differing opinion on you based on what I've seen? No, that's ridiculous, please, keep being condescending.

Anyway, whatever Toriyama say doesn't really mean jack if it doesn't line up with what he's been written and shown. I'm not one of those people who thinks authorial intent means nothing, but it certainly isn't the end all, be all either. And we don't even know if Toriyama is the one behind this.

edited 23rd Feb '17 2:16:39 PM by LSBK

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#52794: Feb 23rd 2017 at 2:44:38 PM

[up]

No need to be angry.

Anyway, it does line up with what he has written in the manga and he is involved in this arc.

edited 23rd Feb '17 2:46:54 PM by Cortez

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#52795: Feb 23rd 2017 at 2:48:23 PM

[up]Yes, we've seen Zen'O destroy planets for fun, but that's because, I reiterate, he has the mentality of a small child. The enormity of doing so does not actually register in his mind, either because of such child-like innocence, or because he's so damn powerful such a thing is beneath him, or a combination of both. Plus the fact he even reconsiders the universe destroying stipulation shows that he's not deliberately doing this For the Evulz.

Plus, I agree with [up][up]. While I trust Toriyama as the end all be all, I trust more into what he wirtes down on paper rather than purely the words he says. Yes, we all know Goku can be a selfish prick at times, but never at the level at what you're suggesting here.

edited 23rd Feb '17 2:48:49 PM by UdtheImp

DAMMIT MARK, STOP HITTING HELPY!!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52796: Feb 23rd 2017 at 2:54:02 PM

[up][up]I'm not angry, just a bit annoyed. And you keep saying that without actually backing up how it fits.

To not be a hypocrite, I'll explain why I think it doesn't. Yes, letting the Androids awaken, or giving Cell a Senzu bean, or not destroying Buu when he had the chance were stupid decisions, but all were based on more than just wanting to fight.

With the Androids, he felt it was wrong to kill someone over something they hadn't done, against Cell, he had absolute confidence Gohan could resolve the situation, against Majin Buu he wanted the people still alive to take care of things, and when the situation became more desperate he made it very clear he prioritized stopping Buu over fighting. Only when Buu got weaker and Gohan was back, did he go back to fighting, and that was secure in the knowledge that whatever happens, the Universe is no longer truly in mortal peril.

Goku makes stupid decisions, he misunderstands people and lets his lust for battle take things further than they need to. But he's never knowingly and deliberately done something like go "Yeah, I could keep all the Universes out of danger right now, but I hate not fighting all out, so I won't do that." like you're suggesting he would. If you disagree, fine, but at least I've explained my position more indepth than you have.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#52797: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:00:52 PM

Um, let's not forget that he let Vegeta live and escape, despite the fact that he was indirectly responsible for all of his friends' deaths, the lost of the Dragon Balls and Kami, and nearly destroyed the entire planet, all so that he would be able to fight him again.

edited 23rd Feb '17 3:01:47 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#52798: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:03:02 PM

Inb 4 Goku just loses, no holding back required.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#52799: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:04:32 PM

[up]3 Fair enough and i'm sorry for bothering you, that wasn't my intention.

But anyway, I don't think it's a situation where Goku can just throw the fight. I don't think it would be that simple.

With should probably wait until we see the episode anyway, since we only have the TV guide preview to go on right now. We don't know what Goku will do.

edited 23rd Feb '17 3:06:20 PM by Cortez

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52800: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:04:37 PM

[up][up][up]Not forgetting that, that's why I said there was (almost) always more to the stupid things he does than just wanting to fight someone again. And Vegeta really is the only example of Goku letting someone dangerous go solely to fight them again, or at least the only one that matters.

[up]Thank you and sorry for being testy. And obviously the "destroying the universes" part isn't going to be taken out, it's just a matter if how it stays in makes Goku look as bad as possible or not.

edited 23rd Feb '17 3:05:58 PM by LSBK


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