I think it might be Character Derailment to a certain extent.Yes, Goku's definetely a Blood Knight , but this does slightly border on Flanderization.
Though its doubtful Goku would selfish enough to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of trillions of innocents just to fight opponents at their best. Unless Toriyama decides full on Flanderization on us right here.
Also, dude meant "stakes."
edited 23rd Feb '17 1:46:12 PM by UdtheImp
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I only see that possible if Zen'O is that disappointed that Goku lost that he goes with the universe destroying thing anyway regardless, but the Zen'Os seem nice enough to let it slide, and if Goku is clever enough he could make it look like he legit lost instead of throwing the fight.
Unless the Grand Priest somehow manipulates things. MAN, that guy is so shifty.....
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Is that what you think, you haven't been paying attention to the Zen'os at all. We already saw them destroying planets for fun.
That warning that they might erase universe 9 and 7 if they are bored, was not an empty.
Look, if Zen'o has a favorite in this, it's Goku. So i doubt he'd take well if Goku intentionally lost a fight.
Goku has done some selfish, misguided things, but there was (almost) always something more to it than just "I want to fight a strong guy". Him actually going "Fuck all those Universes, I want a real fight" would not be in character for him, even taking into consideration the other stupid things he's done.
I agree with this.
I'm sure he's gonna try and throw the fight (while still making it look good) in order to get rid of the universe destroying rule.
That is, providing something doesn't go wrong to kibosh that plan (like the Grand Priest seeing through it or something and saying that if Goku keeps sandbagging, Universe 7 is destroyed anyway).
Of course, how sure are we that this spoiler is for real anyway? Are we positive it's not incorrect or something?
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Or I have a differing opinion on you based on what I've seen? No, that's ridiculous, please, keep being condescending.
Anyway, whatever Toriyama say doesn't really mean jack if it doesn't line up with what he's been written and shown. I'm not one of those people who thinks authorial intent means nothing, but it certainly isn't the end all, be all either. And we don't even know if Toriyama is the one behind this.
edited 23rd Feb '17 2:16:39 PM by LSBK
Yes, we've seen Zen'O destroy planets for fun, but that's because, I reiterate, he has the mentality of a small child. The enormity of doing so does not actually register in his mind, either because of such child-like innocence, or because he's so damn powerful such a thing is beneath him, or a combination of both. Plus the fact he even reconsiders the universe destroying stipulation shows that he's not deliberately doing this For the Evulz.
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. While I trust Toriyama as the end all be all, I trust more into what he wirtes down on paper rather than purely the words he says. Yes, we all know Goku can be a selfish prick at times, but never at the level at what you're suggesting here.
edited 23rd Feb '17 2:48:49 PM by UdtheImp
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I'm not angry, just a bit annoyed. And you keep saying that without actually backing up how it fits.
To not be a hypocrite, I'll explain why I think it doesn't. Yes, letting the Androids awaken, or giving Cell a Senzu bean, or not destroying Buu when he had the chance were stupid decisions, but all were based on more than just wanting to fight.
With the Androids, he felt it was wrong to kill someone over something they hadn't done, against Cell, he had absolute confidence Gohan could resolve the situation, against Majin Buu he wanted the people still alive to take care of things, and when the situation became more desperate he made it very clear he prioritized stopping Buu over fighting. Only when Buu got weaker and Gohan was back, did he go back to fighting, and that was secure in the knowledge that whatever happens, the Universe is no longer truly in mortal peril.
Goku makes stupid decisions, he misunderstands people and lets his lust for battle take things further than they need to. But he's never knowingly and deliberately done something like go "Yeah, I could keep all the Universes out of danger right now, but I hate not fighting all out, so I won't do that." like you're suggesting he would. If you disagree, fine, but at least I've explained my position more indepth than you have.
Um, let's not forget that he let Vegeta live and escape, despite the fact that he was indirectly responsible for all of his friends' deaths, the lost of the Dragon Balls and Kami, and nearly destroyed the entire planet, all so that he would be able to fight him again.
edited 23rd Feb '17 3:01:47 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Inb 4 Goku just loses, no holding back required.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
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Fair enough and i'm sorry for bothering you, that wasn't my intention.
But anyway, I don't think it's a situation where Goku can just throw the fight. I don't think it would be that simple.
With should probably wait until we see the episode anyway, since we only have the TV guide preview to go on right now. We don't know what Goku will do.
edited 23rd Feb '17 3:06:20 PM by Cortez
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Not forgetting that, that's why I said there was (almost) always more to the stupid things he does than just wanting to fight someone again. And Vegeta really is the only example of Goku letting someone dangerous go solely to fight them again, or at least the only one that matters.
Thank you and sorry for being testy. And obviously the "destroying the universes" part isn't going to be taken out, it's just a matter if how it stays in makes Goku look as bad as possible or not.
edited 23rd Feb '17 3:05:58 PM by LSBK

Ya know, there better be some sort of pay off to all of this because I will be extremely disappointed if this is just fluff.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.