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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#52351: Feb 18th 2017 at 10:49:40 AM

Akira Toriyama.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52352: Feb 18th 2017 at 10:50:03 AM

Who knows? I don't understand this insistence of trying to make Omni-King similar to the Abrahamic or other All Mighty creator gods, just because he's been stated to be the strongest thing there is.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#52353: Feb 18th 2017 at 10:56:03 AM

I did put the word "few" in your mouth, so sorry about that. I just thought you were being a bit cavalier about it.

That's all right. I should have thought that solution through before posting it anyway.

Akira Toriyama.

Well, there's our answer! Just have Tori-Bot make new planets!

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52354: Feb 18th 2017 at 11:02:14 AM

I still suspect this is all going to end with the Super Dragonballs recreating all the destroyed universes.

Yes he did. That's why he asked them if it was okay if they lived with their alternate selves. Mai and Trunks being there was enough to create a new timeline. Besides Beerus didn't want them to go to their past because of that. It's only when Whis reminded him he created a new timeline himself that he relented.

The new timeline was created because time travelling is well established to create new timelines, and Trunks and Mai were travelling to an earlier point in their own timeline. It's the same way heroes' current timeline was created when Cell showed up. Divine time travel apparently doesn't usually create them, but it's mentioned in that episode that it can happen.

Whis can time travel, and stopped giving a crap in that specific case about the consequences of time travel and creating divergent timelines, but he doesn't up and generate a new universe out of sheer power.

edited 18th Feb '17 11:49:45 AM by KnownUnknown

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#52355: Feb 18th 2017 at 12:51:27 PM

I seriously want Akira Toriyama to be a god in Dragon Ball. Somehow.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#52356: Feb 18th 2017 at 12:57:47 PM

I don't think the other universes would want revenge if they are able to survive. Especially if Goku brings em back with the Super Dragon Balls.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#52357: Feb 18th 2017 at 12:59:47 PM

[up] (2) Dragonball Multiverse actually ran with that.

edited 18th Feb '17 1:00:00 PM by Soble

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52358: Feb 18th 2017 at 1:03:58 PM

Seriously, I'm always iffy on saying situations like this are the person's being blamed fault. Goku isn't the one who suggested the destruction of the universes, and since the last tournament had no stakes why would this one.

He definitely should have taken the warning about Omni-King more seriously, but I don't really like the idea of placing all the blame on him for someone else's actions, especially when that someone presumably has handlers who are supposed to dissuade him from things like this (or try and get him focused on other things).

And to reiterate, this isn't just about Goku, it's my general feeling on situations with similar set-ups.

edited 18th Feb '17 1:05:45 PM by LSBK

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#52359: Feb 18th 2017 at 1:10:59 PM

[up]×2

Pretty sure Toriyama did so first, going by what he said about Toribot.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52360: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:13:50 PM

I've been thinking that the way it will go is Goku and Universe 7 will lose in the final match, but just before the end convince the winning team to use their wish on bringing everyone back.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#52361: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:18:06 PM

Goku losing is a definite possibility, but I very much doubt Universe 7 would lose. Even so, Goku losing would be a repeat of what happened at the previous tournament, so it's also unlikely.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#52362: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:21:30 PM

There wasn't a problem of Karrot losing his first 2 tournaments, that wouldn't be a problem here.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#52363: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:22:40 PM

People are indeed pushing the "everything is Goku's fault" pretty hard here, and I don't see it that way.

Zen'o is not an automaton or otherwise dispossessed of free will. He made the decision to destroy the losing universes. Goku never suggested anything of the sort, and I personally believe that as battle happy as Goku is, he would not have suggested the tournament if he knew Zen'o was going to do something like that.

If the universes get destroyed, that moral sin is on Zen'o's head, not Goku's.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#52364: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:32:03 PM

Zeno isn't obliged to be a moral being...which is most likeable.

The moral blame goes to no one...

Event set up blame goes to Karrot.

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UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#52365: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:37:08 PM

I think that may be an In-Universe issue as well. Everybody will automatically blame Goku for the whole thing despite Zen'O being the one who ultimately decided on the universes being erased. Because really, who would most people blame in a situation like this? The all-powerful God of the Multiverse? Or the idiot that suggested the tournament in the first place sitting in the bleachers?

edited 18th Feb '17 2:53:23 PM by UdtheImp

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#52366: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:48:33 PM

[up] It also doesn't help that Goku has been portrayed as parody of himself in Super. I could be wrong he could closer to Toriyama's original vision but Goku seems to irritate a lot of people with his antics.

edited 18th Feb '17 2:51:50 PM by GAP

"Mai waifu."
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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#52367: Feb 18th 2017 at 3:11:37 PM

The only people who know about the universes being destroyed as punishment are Goku, Gohan, Shin, Beerus, Whis, Kibito, Elder Kaioshin, Daishinkan, and the two Zen-Oh. With Goku loudly revealing that he's behind the tournament's inception to all the gods from all the other Universes, once Daishinkan reveals the losing penalty to the other Universes, Goku is going to become the most hated man in creation unless Daishinkan specifically mentions that Goku had nothing to do with the losing penalty, and there's no way Daishinkan would bother with such irrelevant details.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#52368: Feb 18th 2017 at 3:18:51 PM

Zen'o is not an automaton or otherwise dispossessed of free will. He made the decision to destroy the losing universes. Goku never suggested anything of the sort,

What Goku did do was ignore all of the warnings that Beerus and Whis gave him, despite seeing exactly what Zeno can do to the fabric of reality with his own eyes.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52369: Feb 18th 2017 at 3:28:23 PM

Seeing what he can do isn't the same thing as assuming he would do that, over and over because of something like a tournament. Though, I suppose they did say he destroyed six universes in a temper tantrum or something?

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#52370: Feb 18th 2017 at 4:27:42 PM

"How dare you hurt Satan!?"

I love out of context Dragon Ball.

Getting hugged by Beerus seems like it'd be terrifying.

edited 18th Feb '17 4:31:41 PM by Hobgoblin

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#52371: Feb 18th 2017 at 4:32:07 PM

It's all fun and games, until Mr.Satan gets hurt.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#52372: Feb 18th 2017 at 4:32:25 PM

Seems like killing is allowed.

This song needs more love.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#52373: Feb 18th 2017 at 4:34:12 PM

Beerus is a cat. Being hugged by him would get you a million upvotes on Imgur.

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#52374: Feb 18th 2017 at 4:35:31 PM

What the fuck I ship Shin and Beerus now!?

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#52375: Feb 18th 2017 at 4:36:54 PM

Well they seem to like each other anyway.

I wish I could make that emoticon that people do to denote lewd behavior.

edited 18th Feb '17 4:37:19 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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