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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#52301: Feb 17th 2017 at 1:31:39 PM

He's missing his single bang...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#52302: Feb 17th 2017 at 1:35:04 PM

That's gotta weigh heavily on his conscience.

We'll see.

@Rob: Given how the arc has been going so far I do think Goku is going to learn to cut back on that kind of behaviour.

Again, we'll see. Goku worries me sometimes, but it would be interesting to see more situations where his lapses in poor judgement don't turn out to be good ideas in spite of themselves anyway.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52303: Feb 17th 2017 at 1:40:05 PM

Has Goku gotten worse then? Cause a lot of people say that while he did have issues they weren't this prevalent in Z but not he's gotten worse in Super now.

Also your opinion may vary but that Universe 2 Goddess to me looks pretty ugly to me. Her lips & eye makeup just looks off.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#52304: Feb 17th 2017 at 1:44:27 PM

I think Toriyama is pushing his vision of Goku as being somewhat selfish harder.

Combined with the anime's rather explicit Flanderization of his other traits, it does seem like he's getting worse.

That being said, Goku did come up with a rather plausible theory for the connection between Black and Zamasu (he was wrong, but still everyone else thought it made sense at the time), so it's not like he's completely empty headed.

Still, it's getting worrisome.

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UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#52305: Feb 17th 2017 at 1:50:16 PM

[up]I think that back during the Z saga, Goku either had to deal with back-to-back planet ending crisises, or spent all his time training away from Earth. Super is the first time where we actually truly see him having actual downtime from training and interacting with people on a regular basis again. A combination of natural boredom and his Saiyan instincts starting to kick him without him realizing it is probably the cause of his seemingly increased selfish and relapsing immaturity.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#52306: Feb 17th 2017 at 5:01:39 PM

If those are the names of the Go Ds, imagine the name of their angels.

I don't know what is the name of Shaggy, the angel of Universe 9, but he sure does look drunk or high as fuck.

Also, one of the Go Ds look like that inmortal fish woman from Spongebob.

"I remember when Zarama created the wish orbs. Sweet, sweet wish orbs. I always hate it!"

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edited 17th Feb '17 5:08:01 PM by Tomodachi

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52307: Feb 17th 2017 at 7:25:40 PM

I wouldn't be surprised of Goku's plan to fix things was to win and use the Super Dragonballs to wish all the universes back, and that he'll bring this up to the others only for them to still chide him on how irresponsible a solution that still is to fall back on.

On that note, I wonder if at the end of the tournament they'll lose, but the big victory will be moral - in that they convince their opponent to make the wish instead of something else they want.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52308: Feb 17th 2017 at 7:29:39 PM

How did this all come about exactly? Did Goku specifically ask for a multiversal tournament or did he just mention the idea around Omni King(s) and he went for it. And then they just came up with destroying the universes because why not.

Speaking of which, it's a bit weird for them to be so cavalier about that. Keep destroying universes and they'll have nothing to be king of.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52309: Feb 17th 2017 at 7:33:37 PM

Goku specifically went and asked Omni-King to throw the tournament, and the Zeno (apparently) came up with the stakes themselves.

All the information about the negative consequences is coming secondhand from the Priest, though.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52310: Feb 17th 2017 at 7:37:22 PM

While he didn't tell Zeno to destroy planets as a punishment Goku is still partly responsible for the mess for reminding Zeno to hold the tournament despite the warnings from Beerus & Whis who were actually serious & told him "Dude don't do this, Zeno is genuinely dangerous so it can only end badly for everyone".

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#52311: Feb 17th 2017 at 7:40:18 PM

Basically, thIs all occurred due to Beerus and Champa having their tournament, Zeno liking it, and Goku nagging him to make it after he forgot.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#52312: Feb 17th 2017 at 7:41:35 PM

I forget if it was 4chan or Youtube, but someone predicted that Goku would tell the Zen'ous, "Oi, if you destroy the universes, you won't get to enjoy any more tournaments".

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#52313: Feb 17th 2017 at 7:44:03 PM

Well, since Zenou was set up as being basically the highest tier of power there is, and we can't have a downer ending in Dragon Ball because of reasons, it's the only logical solution. Plus, they won't have Goku just be the bad guy, no matter how much of a fun change that'd be.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#52314: Feb 17th 2017 at 8:05:26 PM

I want the person to convince them to be our true savior, Mr. Satan.

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#52315: Feb 17th 2017 at 8:15:08 PM

What I really wish to happen is Defeat Means Friendship to be averted at the end of the arc. Averted hard. As in, a majority of the other universe fighters continuing to absolutely hate Goku's guts and be very vocal about it.

edited 17th Feb '17 8:15:35 PM by UdtheImp

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#52316: Feb 17th 2017 at 8:23:06 PM

[up][up]Did I already make my half-theory about Mr. Satan boasting about beating God and the moral guardians getting upset?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52317: Feb 17th 2017 at 8:30:28 PM

I don't see why that would matter; it's not like he'd have a lot of contact with these people anyway.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#52318: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:15:01 PM

Hasn't you seen fiction before...no matter how difficult it is to reach a place initially, once a character reaches that place they pretty much can go to and fro with ease. Which means free contact with the characters from those places.

Of course this isn't always the case, but a lot of the time it is.

edited 17th Feb '17 9:15:43 PM by randomness4

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52319: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:20:20 PM

But if they all hate Goku as has been anticipated, I doubt he'd contact them, and they'd definitely not contact him. And I don't see any invasion of Universe 7 happening; Goku's shortsightedness isn't the entire universe's fault.

edited 17th Feb '17 9:33:02 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#52320: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:26:53 PM

True enough, I guess. Their hatred for Kakarrot will put on the bus indefinitely.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#52321: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:30:34 PM

Even if there is an invasion of universe 7...

Good luck with that. If they can't beat Goku in the tournament, they won't beat him outside, where fusion is a thing.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#52322: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:31:47 PM

[up]But then they wouldn't be held back by their fear of being disqualified!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52323: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:33:08 PM

And who's to say they don't have Fusion or some bonus only exclusive to their universe.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52324: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:34:07 PM

Though, I admit that plot contrivances will probably bring some of them up again, I'd be very surprised if all of these guys become relevant again.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52325: Feb 17th 2017 at 11:19:12 PM

It'd actually be really interesting if the next arc after this one was someone from another universe out for revenge against Goku for putting them in danger. If this arc is as intent of putting emphasis on Goku's flaws and mistakes as it seems, it would make sense for it to resonate in later stories.

On the other hand, that's basically what Zamasu did (except he did it for entirely petty reasons). But then, that doesn't mean Toriyama and company couldn't still make a unique story out of it.

edited 17th Feb '17 11:24:41 PM by KnownUnknown


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