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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5176: Feb 19th 2014 at 5:45:41 AM

While Bulma gets bashed, it's definitely not as much as Goku and Chi-chi do.

I don't see any noticeable difference, especially since all evidence is anecdotal.

edited 19th Feb '14 5:47:35 AM by Saiga

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5177: Feb 19th 2014 at 11:10:09 AM

Chi Chi yes, but Goku? He has more annoying fans than anyone, who will all rush to try to defend him and pretend he isn't a horrible person and husband/father. Even though Toriyama himself said Goku had no interest in parenting and is completely unfit to be a father.

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#5178: Feb 19th 2014 at 12:10:15 PM

[up] In regards to the Superman thing, the last Superman you described was Superman Prime, and even then he didn't just get that power overnight, he literally had to train for several eons, traveling across the entire universe and even learning from the Source itself just to get that power, and that only worked because that version of Superman had what basically amounted to eternal youth and life, since he outlived everyone he ever knew.

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MsCC93 Since: May, 2012
#5179: Feb 19th 2014 at 12:33:06 PM

Chi Chi yes, but Goku? He has more annoying fans than anyone, who will all rush to try to defend him and pretend he isn't a horrible person and husband/father. Even though Toriyama himself said Goku had no interest in parenting and is completely unfit to be a father.

I agree with how annoying the Goku fanboys can be (especially with the whole Goku vs Superman debate), but Goku still gets his share of bashing in fanfics by getting Gohan (or rarely, Goten) to resort to Calling the Old Man Out when it comes to his fathering skills. While Goku isn't really a good parent, per se, I can't call him an awful one since his kids do love him and he does at least try to be a good dad when he's around, so I'll leave it at that.


While I can't measure how much bashing Bulma gets, I have seen others say that she isn't bashed that much, so it's not just me. I mean, while Chi-Chi isn't my favorite female character of the show (Android 18 is), I do find it annoying how fans act like Bulma's a Nice Girl compared to Chi-Chi, when really, both females are Not So Different from each other. It's one thing to dislike a character for legitimate reasons, but to demonize them annoys me.

edited 19th Feb '14 12:33:51 PM by MsCC93

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5180: Feb 19th 2014 at 5:28:32 PM

[up][up] Well we were discussing Godku anyway, so I thought "hey, if you're giving Goku his strongest form, why not Superman?". Besides, of the things I listed, I know for a fact that regular Superman did at least two of them (though one wasn't in the main canon and the other was in the Silver Age). Those Supermans would murder to death any Goku.

Death Battle listed Superman's greatest durability feat as being knocked out by a Supernova that he wasn't even that close to, but not dying. Manga Goku is agreed to at least be a casual red dwarf buster in the general versus community based on that calc a while back, anime Goku considerably stronger and faster due to a few choice scenes. I think at least anime Goku (plus anyone above him) has the raw strength and durability to defeat that Superman. Heck, even manga Goku should, if DBO's timeline is to be counted as part of the manga; he caused several ki explosions on par with supernovas, and as a DB character he logically would be able to take such punishment as well.

edited 19th Feb '14 5:29:04 PM by sockpuppet1

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#5181: Feb 19th 2014 at 6:00:19 PM

Battle of Z must truly suck for a fan to be ripping into it so mercilessly. Or it's great for casuals.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5182: Feb 19th 2014 at 6:02:28 PM

How well would General Blue fare in the 21st or 22nd Budokais?

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#5183: Feb 19th 2014 at 6:04:17 PM

Jackie Chun solos.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5184: Feb 19th 2014 at 6:05:23 PM

I suppose he'd win 21st purely by telekinesis and maybe 22nd as well (since Chaozu could still affect Goku, even though Chaozu is likely stronger than Blue).

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5185: Feb 20th 2014 at 2:48:33 AM

He might win the 21st, but pretty much anyone at the 22nd can stomp him. I think even someone like Chappa could do it.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#5186: Feb 20th 2014 at 4:10:55 PM

You what's a thing now? Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto.

All six Saiyan avatars also have the form now while the other classes have new appearances. Female Super Saiyan 3s have a lighter brow than the guys.

edited 20th Feb '14 4:13:10 PM by Rinsankajugin

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5187: Feb 20th 2014 at 4:45:51 PM

"I thought you could dodge it, but I guess not!"

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#5188: Feb 20th 2014 at 4:49:26 PM
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5189: Feb 20th 2014 at 4:51:30 PM

There's a lot of those videos. A few have character-specific exchanges, such as that one.

There's also videos of Recoome sacrificing his life to save a Saibaman, and Frieza saving Vegeta's life.

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#5190: Feb 20th 2014 at 4:56:11 PM

.....Why do I get the feeling even Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto couldn't beat Beers?

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#5191: Feb 20th 2014 at 4:57:00 PM

If for some reason he couldn't, I'd call bullshit.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5192: Feb 20th 2014 at 4:57:06 PM

Because that's explicitly said with the Godly ki stuff?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5193: Feb 20th 2014 at 5:08:01 PM

Just noticed that "Is that a food?" got added to the reationship status. Yaaaaaaaaay.

edited 20th Feb '14 5:08:12 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5194: Feb 20th 2014 at 5:10:15 PM

Oh, you didn't know? I was wondering why you weren't using it.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5195: Feb 20th 2014 at 5:11:14 PM

I didn't know until now, yeah. tongue

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5196: Feb 20th 2014 at 5:11:59 PM

Wait, how would that be bullshit? What makes Vegetto so special? He's just a combination of (by that point) two low to mid tier heroes via a godly weapon. Why can't Beers beat him? Him being able to is pretty heavily implied in the movie, and going by basic math and in-series power statements some GT characters would one-shot SS 3 Vegetto.

In fact, it's more bullshit that Vegetto is so much ridiculously stronger than Gotenks and hypothetical Gogeta to begin with- with his BASE form being implied to be above SS 3 Gogeta and Gotenks-Buu- while Kibitoshin is garbage.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5197: Feb 20th 2014 at 5:13:32 PM

Could SSJ 4 Gogeta take Beers, I wonder?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5198: Feb 20th 2014 at 5:14:23 PM

No Godly ki no chance, according to BoG. Kind of hard to decide what rules apply though.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5199: Feb 20th 2014 at 5:16:39 PM

So then Beers, Whis, and God Goku are literally in a tier of their own.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5200: Feb 20th 2014 at 5:18:34 PM

Wait, what? Where's THAT stated? That's complete BS if true, because godly ki didn't keep all of the pre-BOG gods and other deities from being far surpassed by beings with normal ki.


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