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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#5151: Feb 18th 2014 at 5:40:27 PM

Alternate Plan.

He calls up Goku, and tell him: Hey, distract this guy while I devil beam them!

Done and done.tongue

....Of course, Goku would likely consider such a method dishonourable, but still, it's something.

One Strip! One Strip!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5153: Feb 18th 2014 at 6:50:15 PM

Eh. Both Bulma and Vegeta get bashed just as much these days, it's only some fans that would still ignore the flaws of those while bashing Goku/Chi-Chi.

Online, anyway. I don't have any exposure to offline fandoms.

edited 18th Feb '14 6:50:40 PM by Saiga

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5154: Feb 18th 2014 at 6:51:01 PM

Because slutty bimbos are beloved while nagging, bitchy moms are not. That's the mindset of most young men I'd imagine.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5155: Feb 18th 2014 at 6:52:08 PM

...Launch is the best character now?

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5156: Feb 18th 2014 at 7:01:16 PM

[up][up][up][up]I think people don't bash Vegeta for being so shitty because he killed millions of people in his younger days (I'm assuming DB Earth is particularly heavily populated by DBU standards, as was implied). Calling him, say, a bad father or a jerk will just get a "duh".

[up] Lunch is a one-note gag character that was never funny and who Toriyama didn't even include in a cameo under the impression that no one would remember her.

edited 18th Feb '14 7:02:13 PM by sockpuppet1

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5157: Feb 18th 2014 at 7:16:46 PM

I liked when Launch went to shoot Crane Hermit in anime and he caught all her bullets easily. Least I think that's filler.

She was cute and Toriyama is dumb for not realizing how popular she was. But ya know, the guy has made several questionable character calls so we shouldn't be surprised.

edited 18th Feb '14 7:17:20 PM by Nikkolas

MsCC93 Since: May, 2012
#5158: Feb 18th 2014 at 7:17:50 PM

[up][up][up][up] Well, I kind of agree with you, because mothers like that are realistic, just like how in the My Little Pony fandom, people hate the bully characters (Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon), but love the evil villains who aren't realistic (Discord, Sombra, Chrysalis, Nightmare Moon).

But simply liking a villain character more than a realistic jerk character isn't a hypocritical double standard. Saying that jerk characters are worse than villain characters, and portraying villain characters as saints, however, is.

edited 18th Feb '14 7:25:42 PM by MsCC93

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5159: Feb 18th 2014 at 7:20:57 PM

I hate James Potter more than Lord Voldemort.

edited 18th Feb '14 7:21:14 PM by Nikkolas

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#5160: Feb 18th 2014 at 7:25:53 PM

And that's a problem.

My various fanfics.
sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5161: Feb 18th 2014 at 7:32:01 PM

I hate Android/Buu arc Vegeta more than Saiyan/Namek arc Vegeta, because at the least the latter was honest about how puppy-kickingly evil he was, and the story never tried to pretend he was anything but that. Also, he was smart(er).

edited 18th Feb '14 7:32:21 PM by sockpuppet1

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#5162: Feb 18th 2014 at 7:40:46 PM

Yeah. I think that not having a real long term goal (Immortality, and killing Frieza to avenge his whole race) messed him up. It's like I said before, without something to keep his ego in check and make him focus, he got real dumb real quick.

That being said, Buu series Vegeta show us that no matter his flaws, Vegeta pulls his own strings so to speak.

One Strip! One Strip!
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5163: Feb 18th 2014 at 7:41:54 PM

Edit: No Harry Potter talk....

edited 18th Feb '14 7:42:22 PM by Nikkolas

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#5164: Feb 18th 2014 at 7:43:58 PM

[up]

Edit: Agreed.

Um.......

For shits and giggles, good Launch vs Marron (krillin's Girlfriend in the Garlic Junior Filler).

We assume that for some reason, there's nothing to make Launch sneeze.

edited 18th Feb '14 7:45:23 PM by HandsomeRob

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MsCC93 Since: May, 2012
#5165: Feb 18th 2014 at 7:44:17 PM

[up]Good Lunch, of course.

edited 18th Feb '14 8:26:13 PM by MsCC93

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5166: Feb 18th 2014 at 8:12:17 PM

[up][up][up][up] He explicitly didn't give a crap about the saiyans, he wanted to kill Freeza for beating down his own pride and because he wanted to take over the galaxy himself, and Freeza was in the way of that.

MsCC93 Since: May, 2012
#5167: Feb 18th 2014 at 8:18:39 PM

[up] I thought you were talking about Bardock for a second, because Vegeta sounds just like him there.

edited 18th Feb '14 8:18:46 PM by MsCC93

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#5168: Feb 18th 2014 at 8:33:50 PM

Negative review for Battle of Z... surprising few.

I was hyped for it until I noticed that the gameplay resembled a slower, less rap-infused version of Anarchy Reigns.

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5169: Feb 18th 2014 at 9:02:30 PM

[up][up] Nah, Bardock actually did give a crap about his fallen comrades, and he didn't want to take over the galaxy, he was just pissed that Freeza was going to kill him and everyone he knew. Vegeta, on the other hand, was a heartless psychopath even by saiyan standards.

Pucker Since: Feb, 2014
#5170: Feb 18th 2014 at 10:22:22 PM

So is there any actual basis for the abilities of Goku with the Super Saiyan God power? Like, any sort of multipliers we could use to definitively measure it?

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5171: Feb 18th 2014 at 11:06:20 PM

No. How strong Godku is depends entirely on how you interpret certain lines. We do know, according to Toriyama, that Beers is far stronger than Gohan-Buu at least, buuuuut Beers could've one-shotted Goku whenever he wanted, so that doesn't even mean Godku is stronger than Buuhan. Toriyama actually gave the three heavy hitters of BOG numerical rankings in relation to each other

Whis- 15

Beers- 10

—70% (vs Godku)- 7

Godku- 6

I guess for Toriyama to say that Beers is way stronger than "all of the previous enemies", Buuhan would be at most a 7 by this scale, but more likely a 6 or lower. No one knows how they compare to Super Vegetto, but it's sorta implied in the movie that Godku is a lot stronger than any version of Vegetto. Kinda.

edited 18th Feb '14 11:07:28 PM by sockpuppet1

Pucker Since: Feb, 2014
#5172: Feb 19th 2014 at 1:40:52 AM

Is there anything to suggest that Beers is a 20 million times stronger than Super Siayan 3 Goku?

I just want to know if this new thing Toriyama pulled out of his ass would have stopped Superman absolutely destroying Goku.

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5173: Feb 19th 2014 at 1:43:58 AM

Superman being able to take Goku depends on what versions of the character you're using. For example, I doubt the version of Superman whose most impressive feat is barley surviving a distant Supernova explosion (he was knocked out) can take EU Goku, a massively FTL casual star+ buster who caused several ki explosions on par with Supernovas in DBO's backstory by Toriyama. The Superman who can create a universe, hold a black hole, or sneeze away a solar system, on the other hand...

Anyway, no, there's nothing about SSG being 20 million times stronger than SS-3 or anything. I think the most impressive 'feat' power wise is Whis stating that if Beers gets angry, the entire solar system will be destroyed in an instant. Even Cell was stated in the manga, anime, and guidebooks to be capable of destroying the solar system, but he was likely just planning on blowing up the sun with his biggest blast, which isn't quite the same thing as the entire solar system (mostly empty space anyway) and everything in it just up and exploding on a whim.

I'm not sure if that's more or less impressive than Buuhan being a casual star+ buster with normal ki blasts and, in the anime, being able to use his ki to tear down dimensional walls and cause the universe to collapse and crush itself. The latter seems more like a special ability that just requires a certain level of power rather than a true expression of strength. Also the DBU is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay smaller than, say, our universe.

edited 19th Feb '14 1:48:21 AM by sockpuppet1

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5174: Feb 19th 2014 at 1:44:03 AM

[up][up] Nope.

edited 19th Feb '14 1:44:38 AM by Saiga

MsCC93 Since: May, 2012
#5175: Feb 19th 2014 at 5:43:26 AM

[up][up] I do think Bardock was a good character for that noble deed he attempted, even though he isn't exactly a saint since he did slaughter a lot of people. As for Vegeta being a "heartless psychopath," while I don't think he's a bad character (I actually consider him to be one of the best), wasn't there an Even Evil Has Standards moment involving him and Nappa because of it?

I hate Android/Buu arc Vegeta more than Saiyan/Namek arc Vegeta, because at the least the latter was honest about how puppy-kickingly evil he was, and the story never tried to pretend he was anything but that. Also, he was smart(er).

I like Frieza and Buu Arc Vegeta the best in my opinion.

Eh. Both Bulma and Vegeta get bashed just as much these days, it's only some fans that would still ignore the flaws of those while bashing Goku/Chi-Chi.

Sorry for ignoring you. I was too tired to reply. While Bulma gets bashed, it's definitely not as much as Goku and Chi-chi do. While I understand why some fans may not like Goku and Chichi, I find it annoying how fans ignore their good qualities and make them look worse than usual.


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