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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#5101: Feb 17th 2014 at 11:56:42 AM

Hmm.

Okay. I'll accept that. It's possible that it's not so much Krillin taught it to her, as she learned to use what Gero gave her in a new way (he'd been watching the Saiyan battle, so he likely has information on the Kienzan, and gave her that info in his files).

It's just that back when she fought Vegeta, she had no use for such things since she could just out power or out last anyone stupid enough to try to fight her.

I still wonder if they can be modified to be more powerful.

edited 17th Feb '14 11:59:11 AM by HandsomeRob

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sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5102: Feb 17th 2014 at 12:01:06 PM

They can, but their upper limit is 16's tier of power. Gero stated that 17 and 18 were merely attempts to make a controllable version of the same android tech he used on 16. Theoretically, he could modify her to be that powerful, but no more.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#5103: Feb 17th 2014 at 12:04:31 PM

I see.

And that state is still weaker than a fully trained super saiyan like Goku or Gohan that were introduced later, or even the ridiculously buff Super Saiyans that Trunks and Vegeta became.

.....What if Gero combined the 16 models with the Energy absorbing models?

Or maybe Bulma could do it?

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#5104: Feb 17th 2014 at 12:05:06 PM

Super 17 is a combination of the 16 and 19/20 models, basically.

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#5105: Feb 17th 2014 at 12:08:14 PM

Super 17 is a combination of GT horse shit and GT bullshit.

[up][up] And Semi-Cell. And post-ROSAT Piccolo.

There's no indication that he could. The 16-18 models are built around their infinite energy reactors.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#5106: Feb 17th 2014 at 1:19:21 PM

Eh probably.

But I like speculating.

Like for instance, if two humans did the Fusion Dance, and then used Kaiouken, would it help make them more useful in battle?

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sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5107: Feb 17th 2014 at 1:23:28 PM

Unless you go by a really high end interpretation of Gotenks' strength- like, going by base Gotenks > Super Saiyan 3 Goku gag implications- no, even going by a very generous estimate of the humans' powers, the fused being (Tencha? Krillinhan? Tenshillan? Krimcha?) would still almost certainly be weaker than Freeza without kaio-ken and useless even with it. Going by a less generous but likely more logical estimate, they couldn't beat Freeza even with it.

Just look at it like this: base Trunks and base Goten are far far stronger than any human, by ten times at least (and that's again being extremely generous to the humans). As Super Saiyans, they're stronger than Piccolo, and able to give trouble to the adults in sparring. So unless the humans manage to master kaio-ken to an extent Goku never did, and be able to use x20 without becoming useless after five seconds, any human fusion + kaio-ken will always be weaker than base Gotenks. And even if they did... whooooo, they'd be stronger than base Gotenks and still completely useless.

edited 20th Feb '14 11:25:38 PM by sockpuppet1

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#5108: Feb 17th 2014 at 3:47:19 PM

Hate to derail the current topic, but word through the grapevine is that Funimation has not recorded a dub for Dragon Ball Z Kai's Buu Saga. Kind weird they would say that since they already announced they were recording the dub for the Buu Saga and considering that Dragon Ball is their Cash-Cow Franchise.

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sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5109: Feb 17th 2014 at 4:02:11 PM

I frankly just don't trust the newer statement. We already had Schemmel saying he was recording lines months ago. This new statement seems like damage control; like Schemmel wasn't supposed to say that, and they're waiting for an official announcement.

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#5110: Feb 17th 2014 at 6:54:26 PM

@Cruherrx (5066): Chi Chi isn't the breadwinner for her family. Her dad is just really, really rich. Also, Gohan was a scholar, Bulma's father was a super scientist just like her, Mr. Satan was a successful businessman next to being a professional fighter, etc. Krillin and 18 would be set for life with Satan's money. Seems he and Bulma just have everyone live off of them. Fucking moochers. Oh, and the Ox-King.

I know that Chi-Chi's rich. That's the whole point. Goku is a useless husband, so it's Chi-Chi's wealth that keeps them afloat.

Bulma is legitimately genius, so with or without her dad, she'd be well-off.

Marky Mark didn't give them the money, 18 conned him out of it. It's her smarts that got them that cash.

Gohan would actually be a benefit to society, yeah.

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#5111: Feb 17th 2014 at 6:58:54 PM

[up] Don't Chi-Chi and Goku also get money from Hercule, partially because he's thanking Goku for everything he done, and partially because they're in-laws now?

edited 17th Feb '14 6:59:07 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#5112: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:08:17 PM

[up][up] Her dad just has a lot of money. Not seeing how that makes her the breadwinner. None of that money came from her.

It's also implied that Gohan is living off of Satan's money, with Videl being the heir and all.

edited 17th Feb '14 7:08:30 PM by sockpuppet1

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#5113: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:20:14 PM

I always assumed that Goku was living off his winnings in the 23rd Budokai. Isn't that how Hercule made his money, by winning the 24th?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#5114: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:28:53 PM

I'd expect him to have spent it on food, just like when Master Roshi won and made the mistake of treating Goku to dinner right after.

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#5115: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:30:19 PM

[up][up] I have a feeling the prize money was taken off the table when Piccolo blew up the island.

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#5116: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:35:53 PM

If anything, they would have given him double prize money. "Please don't hurt us, oh terrifying man who beat the green guy who blew up an island."

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#5117: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:37:31 PM

They probably wanted to use the prize money to help repair everything that was destroyed. And Goku didn't care about it anyway, he just wanted the honor of winning the tournament (even after Piccolo blew up the ring).

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#5118: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:37:31 PM

"Hey, apparently you're a cool enough dude to REPLACE GOD. That's worth some extra cash."

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#5119: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:45:09 PM

But is he a bad enough dude to rescue the president from ninjas?tongue

~Remembers that time Goku beat up the other evil green alien dude and saved the president~

....Right. Silly question.

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#5120: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:47:15 PM

Not just the President. The KING OF THE WORLD.

That just bears reiterating. The KING OF THE WORLD was at one point a TALKING BLUE DOGMAN, but people are willing to believe that flight, lasers, and transformations are bullshit special effects. What, did Hercule infect the world water supply with stupid pills?

edited 17th Feb '14 7:48:11 PM by SonOfSharknado

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#5121: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:47:50 PM

....

Oh yeah.

Well, once again, I admit it was a silly question.

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#5122: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:54:18 PM

[up][up] Not only that, but wouldn't Hercule be alive when Piccolo threatened the world on live television, how could he have believed that everything ki-based was fake, if he lived through that period?

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#5123: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:55:13 PM

I really don't know why anyone believed Mr. Satan was the strongest guy around when they all saw King Piccolo (i.e. Earth's actual Satan) take over the planet and blow up a city with his finger.

edited 17th Feb '14 7:56:15 PM by sockpuppet1

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#5124: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:57:03 PM

[up][up]What about the Saiyans, not even FIVE YEARS before the Cell saga? An outright ALIEN INVASION, who wiped out an ENTIRE CITY.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#5125: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:57:31 PM

[up][up]Because there was no explanation for how he did it, and only a handful of people were close enough to see that he didn't use bombs or anything.

Plus, by normal standards, Satan is legitimately strong.

....Also, people on Dragon Ball earth are kinda stupid if you recall.

[up]See the above sentence.

edited 17th Feb '14 7:58:00 PM by HandsomeRob

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