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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#50876: Feb 3rd 2017 at 3:23:45 AM

[up] Fun for you, not Tien fans. tongue

"Mai waifu."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#50877: Feb 3rd 2017 at 3:26:21 AM

Tenshinhan is like the literal opposite of fun

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#50878: Feb 3rd 2017 at 3:27:33 AM

Volleyball Fist.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#50879: Feb 3rd 2017 at 3:36:30 AM

volleyball is boring, just like him

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#50880: Feb 3rd 2017 at 3:36:40 AM

Comically Serious. Tien comes up with silly named attacks but he is a 'serious' martial artist.

"Mai waifu."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#50882: Feb 3rd 2017 at 3:42:17 AM

The 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai is my favorite arc in all of Dragon Ball, and Tenshinhan's character development as the primary antagonist is a big part of that.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#50883: Feb 3rd 2017 at 4:57:12 AM

Okay, no. I don't care much at all if you hate the character. Do so all you want, and feel free to recount why; call him boring all day. But don't start expressing hate for people who don't hate the character. Unless what they are doing is harmful to others, they have a right to their position, and turning this discussion into hate (or hopes of misfortune) is extremely rude and purposeless.

edited 3rd Feb '17 4:57:54 AM by Enlong

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50884: Feb 3rd 2017 at 6:45:50 AM

Eh, at least Saiga is joking, if poorly. The same kind of statements get made, entirely seriously, all the time in reference to Yamcha or Krillin and no one bats an eye.

It's the aftereffect of him somehow not being branded a "loser" or at least not as big a one, even though Krillin is so much stronger than him. Something a lot of people refuse to acknowledge.

edited 3rd Feb '17 6:46:32 AM by LSBK

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#50885: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:12:03 AM

Guess the pope part applies to acting like a religious authority...

The Comically Serious is a thing. Tenshinhan is, other than that, the guy who doesn't screw up things for everybody else.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#50886: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:35:16 AM

Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here waiting for papa Vegeta this Saturday.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50888: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:45:12 AM

[up][up][up]is it supposed to be comical, though, is the thing? In the abridged? Absolutely, but in the actual story, I'm not so sure.

I don't understand arguing about it anyway, from the start, actually including him and Roshi in the tournament made no sense with Goten and Trunks existing.

edited 3rd Feb '17 7:46:00 AM by LSBK

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50889: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:48:17 AM

I expect Tenshinhan to do interesting and effective stuff because of the nature of the plot he's in right now. This isn't a group fight like Freeza or Nappa, where over the course of a single for fight some characters can carry the bulk of the scene while other characters either don't do as much or explicitly can't contribute. Freeza especially, which was very much a "roll call" of lesser used characters and explicitly didn't use much new content for any of them.

This is 1v1, which means Tenshinhan is going to have to carry that whole battle by himself and make it not a waste of the viewer/reader's attention, even if he doesn't win. And given the scope of the tournament, he's likely going to have to do so multiple times. Tenshinhan hasn't had anything new in, what, over an IRL decade? He can't be written into a situation like that without something new and eye catching.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50890: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:50:41 AM

I mean, that's true, but it doesn't mean people can't call bullshit on even putting him in the tournament in the first place.

Also, depending on how this is done, him losing a lot is totally possible.

edited 3rd Feb '17 7:51:01 AM by LSBK

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#50891: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:52:05 AM

even though Krillin is so much stronger than him. Something a lot of people refuse to acknowledge.

It's probably because they both occupy the space of "not strong enough", so even if one is technically stronger they get lumped into the same "tier".

(Plus pushing Cell back is more impressive than anything Krillin did, even it he nearly died because of it)

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#50892: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:53:10 AM

So it's fanwank as usual.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50893: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:54:58 AM

Why is that impressive? I mean, give the guy points for the attempt, but the attack had no real effect on Cell, he almost killed himself doing it, and only managed to hold Cell back because he couldn't brace himself.

That moment is at the source of a lot of this but it doesn't really hold up as a feat under scrutiny.

edited 3rd Feb '17 7:58:48 AM by LSBK

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#50894: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:55:47 AM

Krillin being stronger or weaker than Tenshinhan is about as meaningless as Goten being stronger or weaker than Trunks.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#50895: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:55:54 AM

Because Tien is so super badass so OF COURSE he's more impressive than that loser Krillin :V

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50896: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:58:14 AM

[up][up]Maybe but people subscribe it meaning, and often getting who is stronger wrong.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#50897: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:59:15 AM

Probably because usually, if an attack does no damage, it does nothing; the character might as well have stayed home for all they contributed to the fight. Rarely, you get something like this, everyone shooting Cell during the kamehameha struggle, or slamming Recoome's jaw shut. It didn't do any damage, but it accomplished something, so the viewers take notice of it, compared to your average Beam spam dust cloud scenario.

In the case of Tien vs Cell, it in fact took a lot of effort from Vegeta to reverse the advantage that sequence allowed our heroes.

edited 3rd Feb '17 8:00:10 AM by Enlong

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#50898: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:59:59 AM

Why is that impressive?

Because being able to affect a guy a gazillion times stronger than you, even if only for a short time, is way more impressive than being able to do nothing but watch your attacks bounce off while the bad guy laughs.

Krillin being stronger or weaker than Tenshinhan is about as meaningless as Goten being stronger or weaker than Trunks.

Yeah this basically.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50899: Feb 3rd 2017 at 8:02:03 AM

[up]But it didn't, it didn't hurt Cell at all. The only reason he was able to hold Cell in that hole was because he caught him off guard with the first attack and couldn't brace himself for the subsequent ones.

It's impressive because the visuals without actually having any substance behind it.

edited 3rd Feb '17 8:02:42 AM by LSBK

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#50900: Feb 3rd 2017 at 8:21:43 AM

Wen Demons, Kai and Androids in Xenoverse?


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