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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#50526: Jan 27th 2017 at 11:39:00 PM

Even Goku has a tendency to screw things up at the worst possible moment because he wants a good fight.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#50527: Jan 27th 2017 at 11:42:43 PM

Universe 7 isn't the good universe, it's the stupid universe. But we love 'em nonetheless. tongue

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#50528: Jan 28th 2017 at 1:29:36 AM

Indeed. Pretty much everyone in Universe 7 is an idiot but they are strong useful idiots. tongue

"Mai waifu."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50529: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:41:20 AM

Except for when they are strong detrimental idiots.

Hell, Frieza was a idiot as well (his continued Revenge Before Reason got him fucked badly, and killed twice, all because he refused to accept that there was someone stronger than him), but he was so powerful it made little difference until Goku came along.

edited 28th Jan '17 7:41:43 AM by HandsomeRob

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#50530: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:42:54 AM

I still feel like Universe 6 is the "good" universe.

Because that's funnier to me.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50531: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:43:01 AM

Thing is, in many instances, if they weren't 'detrimental', they would not have been strong enough to face whatever comes next.

The world of Dragon Ball is an Idiot Plot in the sense that if the characters weren't idiots, they'd be screwed, because what seems like the smart thing to do now would screw you later on in life.

Like, say, if Vegeta had killed Semi Perfect Cell, everyone would've been utlraboned against Buu.

edited 28th Jan '17 7:44:15 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#50532: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:45:18 AM

I mean, Gohan and Goku were already training in the time chamber, and, as you say, SS 1 Gohan was already stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

So.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50533: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:50:11 AM

They wouldn't have been screwed...because Gohand would've been significantly weaker and not have enough energy to power Boo.

Things take longer, but the correct answer is that they wouldn't have been able to beat Dabra.

edited 28th Jan '17 7:51:06 AM by randomness4

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#50534: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:55:20 AM

I mean, odds are Supreme Kai would try to take him to his place, and the Elder Kai stuff would still have happened.

Again, Super Saiyan 1 Gohan is stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

Dabura equals regular Perfect Cell. I think.

edited 28th Jan '17 7:55:53 AM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50535: Jan 28th 2017 at 8:04:27 AM

I'm pretty sure that Goku being alive would mean that Gohan doesn't quit training entirely, which means he'd probably still be strong enough to defeat Dabura.

But it's not unbelievable that Goku and Vegeta would make it to that level after 7 years. The thing is, there'd be no fusion and no SSJ 3, so there's no one who can take Buu. The circumstances that led to Gohan's powerup are very unlikely to happen. It's possible, yeah, but it's also just as possible that Goku's the one who pulls out the Z sword instead.

edited 28th Jan '17 8:05:26 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#50536: Jan 28th 2017 at 8:11:30 AM

No fusion but everyone being at the tournament probably wouldn't have happened as well and Gohan wouldn't have gotten his energy stolen.

The chances are that Majin Vegeta wouldn't have happened as well even if everyone was there.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#50537: Jan 28th 2017 at 8:19:05 AM

The chances are that Majin Vegeta wouldn't have happened as well even if everyone was there.

Yeah. I thought the same. Since Goku isn't dead, Vegeta won't be so hellbent on fighting him while he has a chance that he does something as ridiculous as sell himself to Babidi.

Now, that's not to say that Babidi still trying to control him wouldn't happen, but it's far more likely that when he resists (which he could do) that he'd end up just wrecking Dabura before Buu even became an issue.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#50538: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:39:18 AM

there'd be no fusion and no SSJ 3

Neither of which are what actually stopped Buu, so what's your point?

The circumstances that led to Gohan's powerup are very unlikely to happen.

I mean. Are they, though? Because Gohan and Shin getting their shit wrecked doesn't seem unlikely. Neither does Shin taking Gohan home because he likes Gohan more than the other idiots.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50539: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:45:36 AM

Neither of which are what actually stopped Buu, so what's your point?

This is the exact same mentality that leads to people saying that every character who is not Goku is useless, you know.

My point is: No Fusion, No SSJ 3 = everyone dies. Yes, they didn't kill Buu, but without either of those, everyone dies.

I mean. Are they, though? Because Gohan and Shin getting their shit wrecked doesn't seem unlikely. Neither does Shin taking Gohan home because he likes Gohan more than the other idiots.

Yes. Yes they are. Because it's not like the Supreme Kai chose out of the blue to just take Gohan to the Supreme Planet. Nor did he do it because he liked Gohan more than the rest. Events happened to go in just such a direction that made this the result.

Dragon Ball is an universe where a lot of seemingly small nails would cause very massive changes very quickly.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#50540: Jan 28th 2017 at 10:47:01 AM

I'm not so sure.

Isn't the reason that Gotenks lasted against Buu less his power (which might have been close to him) and more that Buu was purposely stalling because he knew Gohan was coming?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#50541: Jan 28th 2017 at 10:53:09 AM

Fairly sure SSJ 3 Gotenks was stronger than Super Buu.

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#50542: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:02:30 AM

He said he was stalling for the reinforcements and his fight with Gohan made it look like he was certainly holding back vs Gotenks.

The powerup he got from his lunch was probably the reason why Gotenks didn't do any real damage.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#50543: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:11:21 AM

Vegeta is hand to hand the cash cow of Dragonball, so yes, he is the eternal rival. Is he a rival for Goku, this is a shonen, they'd never allow Vegeta to stay equal to Goku for too long, that would threat the untouchable status that all shonen protagonists have, but still... Noone has lasted as many years chasing Goku's shadow as Vegeta has. Goku/Vegeta are not only the current protagonists, but the pillars of the Status Quo of Dragonball Z and Super. Even if in Z Vegeta was drastically weaker than Goku for the most part, it is his personality and desire to be the best, not just better than Goku, but better than he is, all the time. It would weaken the overall Dragonball experience, to have Vegeta tossed to a side, and it would decrease the popularity of Dragonball in general.

So again, yes, the eternal rival, and we're better off because of it. Rooting only for the main character with no options is just a boring perspective, their rivalry is what keeps fans excited. Is it getting old? Well is Goku's stupidity getting old? They balance each other out, and super is better than GT, among many things, because of how present Vegeta is.

I got this from from the comment section from this video but what do you guys think of the rivals Goku had?

"Mai waifu."
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50544: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:16:58 AM

Vegeta is not the cash cow for DBZ tho.

You can tell because he's not the one selling the most merchandise.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#50545: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:21:26 AM

[up][up] >I got this from from the comment section

And there's your first problem. 9/10, they're already heavily biased towards Vegeta and will obviously make him out to be more important than he actually is.

I'm pretty sure that comment neglected the fact that the series went on just fine for years before Vegeta showed up, and his rivalry with Goku wasn't really important to the grand scheme of Dragon Ball until like the Buu saga.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50546: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:25:37 AM

Yep. Sounds like a Vegeta fanboy.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50547: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:35:24 AM

A Vegeta fanboy that doesn't even understand the character he's fanboying about - Vegeta accepted that Goku was the best at the end of Z.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#50548: Jan 28th 2017 at 12:41:11 PM

I guess. Goku will always have other rivals like hit, Beerus and whatever.....

"Mai waifu."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#50549: Jan 28th 2017 at 12:46:08 PM

I mean, it's not like Vegeta's declaration has fully stuck; even the extended ending for the manga Toriyama made has Vegeta declare to himself that he'll one day beat Goku, right as Goku was leaving with Uub.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50550: Jan 28th 2017 at 1:02:07 PM

Vegeta accepting that Goku is better than him now doesn't mean he has to stop trying to surpass him. It just means he's gained some humility about the situation.

edited 28th Jan '17 1:15:58 PM by LSBK


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