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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50301: Jan 22nd 2017 at 5:41:38 PM

It's most likely a one way connection...no need to overthink it.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#50302: Jan 22nd 2017 at 5:44:26 PM

Except he was referred to as just a Kai in-story.

Plus, Kais aren't born from a tree, the Shinjins are; Kai and Kaioshin are just titles that individual members of that race get when they take up the job.

edited 22nd Jan '17 5:46:57 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#50303: Jan 22nd 2017 at 6:39:25 PM

And Kaioshins have to be born from golden fruit.

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#50304: Jan 22nd 2017 at 6:40:02 PM

Zamasu was a Kaio, in training to become a Kaioshin.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#50305: Jan 22nd 2017 at 6:42:45 PM

But that's not how it works, because Kaioshin are born from golden fruit and Kaio aren't.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#50306: Jan 22nd 2017 at 6:49:20 PM

Non golden fruit shinjin can only become Kaios, golden fruit shinjin can get up to Kaioshin; that's what I'd gather from what we've been shown.

Kaioshin also have special Potaras; the manga made a point out of their color. And yeah, both Kaioshins and Hakaishins are God Jobs, yet the latter has less details known to us.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#50307: Jan 22nd 2017 at 6:53:42 PM

I think at this point, like half of what we know about the Shinjins and their jobs has been retconned at this point. Like the Grand Kaioshin and four cardinal Kaioshins getting retconned into just one Kaioshin and their attendant.

And yes, Zamasu was literally described as a Kaio who was being groomed to replace the current Kaioshin, this was said in both the anime and manga, so Toriyama himself probably added that part in the outline.

edited 22nd Jan '17 6:54:50 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50308: Jan 22nd 2017 at 7:01:22 PM

I believe it was because Zamasu was just that damned strong that he earned the right to be a Kaioshin despite being born as a Kai.

He's something of an exception,.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#50309: Jan 22nd 2017 at 7:02:14 PM

Again, you're not born as a Kaio, you're promoted to that position when one of the four Kaio dies...through a lottery.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50310: Jan 22nd 2017 at 7:04:21 PM

Eh. Whatever.

Point is, Zamasu was good enough that Gowasu was gonna bump him straight up to Kaioshin.

Shame he was such a dick and all, but I'm sure that if he'd been good, something would have happened to just worf him, because the Kais and Kaioshin aren't actually allowed to be useful as far as combat goes.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#50311: Jan 22nd 2017 at 7:04:33 PM

Zamasu also lacks catfish/cricket traits, so yeah, Golden Fruit Shinjin.

King Kai and the Supreme Kai are the same species. King Kai comes from a regular fruit, and so he is a catfish/cricket man who all he'll ever hope to achieve is being a Kaio, while the Supreme Kai comes from a golden fruit, and so he can be a Kaioshin.

Zamasu came from a golden fruit, but landed a job as a Kaio, and then he was selected as a potential Kaioshin. He ought to check his goddamn privilege.

edited 22nd Jan '17 7:06:58 PM by Eriorguez

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#50312: Jan 22nd 2017 at 7:05:29 PM

I mean, he was able to match up to Goku as a Super Saiyan 2, whereas Shin was nearly shitting himself over the power the base Super Saiyans had during the Buu Saga.

[up] He was still a Kaio though.

edited 22nd Jan '17 7:06:08 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#50313: Jan 22nd 2017 at 7:08:45 PM

Zamasu was supposed to be outlier, but even so he kind of reflected the change in the Dragonball Cosmonology as introduced by Super, where we have a weird "Rule of Two": One Supreme Kai, One God of Destruction, and either assisted by one attendant.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#50314: Jan 22nd 2017 at 7:11:37 PM

Shin was also mortified because Freeza was the standard for really strong mortals. As in dwarfing everything else, and he was far above Freeza. He suddenly found out a group of mortals chilling on Earth that happened to be leagues beyond Freeza, and even beyond himself.

And, after all, Buu saga base Goku apparently was still weaker than Freeza's full power. Guess Piccolo was walking around as the strongest untransformed mortal.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#50315: Jan 22nd 2017 at 7:14:00 PM

Yeah, and even Piccolo was scared by Shin's power, to the point he forfeited against him in their match.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#50316: Jan 22nd 2017 at 7:47:15 PM

Gotta say, I'm enjoying the DB Super dub a bunch. Beerus and Whis have such great english voice actors.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50317: Jan 22nd 2017 at 7:52:51 PM

It's the good type of good.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#50318: Jan 22nd 2017 at 8:36:27 PM

[up]As opposed to the AB Groupe good, I take it?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50319: Jan 22nd 2017 at 8:51:22 PM

Randomness doesn't acknowledge mentalities like that, so no.

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#50320: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:58:08 AM

There are already cosplays of her showing up

So, what do you think Fem Broly is? Vote here

edited 23rd Jan '17 1:01:23 AM by Tomodachi

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50321: Jan 23rd 2017 at 1:03:51 AM

Isn't she from a different universe?

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#50322: Jan 23rd 2017 at 1:14:33 AM

Zamasu also lacks catfish/cricket traits, so yeah, Golden Fruit Shinjin.
The Grand Kai is also lacking those and he isn't a golden fruit Shinjin nor is he allowed to go to the sacred world of the kais.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#50323: Jan 23rd 2017 at 1:24:21 AM

The Grand Kai is a filler character.

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#50324: Jan 23rd 2017 at 1:25:59 AM

[up][up][up] Pretty sure she is from Universe 6 until told otherwise. After all, there are only saiyans on Universe 7 and 6.

Also, is it me, or does Zamasu look buffer in the manga? Those grins of him are getting on my nerve.

edited 23rd Jan '17 1:31:42 AM by Tomodachi

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#50325: Jan 23rd 2017 at 1:36:55 AM

[up][up] He is mentioned in the manga and his character design and personality were designed by Toriyama, he isn't filler.

edited 23rd Jan '17 1:38:10 AM by Memers


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