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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#4951: Feb 12th 2014 at 7:16:16 PM

That link doesn't work.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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#4952: Feb 12th 2014 at 7:19:11 PM

And this is why TinyURL is your friend.

This site hates long links, remember? Breaks them up with a "- "

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#4954: Feb 12th 2014 at 8:06:23 PM

Wait, doesn't he make his hands form a diamond?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#4955: Feb 12th 2014 at 8:19:32 PM

The 22nd Budokai arc: using GT logic before GT was a thing.

edited 12th Feb '14 8:19:42 PM by sockpuppet1

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#4956: Feb 12th 2014 at 8:26:22 PM

That's just Dragon Ball logic, not GT logic. Piccolo blew up an entire city and he was far weaker than anyone that came after. Their feats of destruction are still treated as shocking displays of power. The only one that actually appeared stronger than anyone that came before is Frieza.

edited 12th Feb '14 8:30:38 PM by Kostya

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#4957: Feb 12th 2014 at 8:33:37 PM

I think that's mostly because they're focusing their energy into a much smaller area, so the explosions aren't as large but the raw power in them is massive.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#4958: Feb 12th 2014 at 8:39:13 PM

There's a bit of a difference between Goku highlighting that destroying a city is so incredible and Yajirobe (who has seen no ki feats at all) commenting on Piccolo Daimao destroying a city. Yajirobe shouldn't know any better, for Goku it just makes no sense.

[up] Yes, the Android arc gives such an explanation. So as long as people aren't going "the size of that is so impressive!" there's really no problem.

edited 12th Feb '14 8:39:46 PM by Saiga

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#4959: Feb 12th 2014 at 8:51:39 PM

[up][up][up] How many times must I post this? Pure Buu, at a suppressed level, with one ki blast in the manga, demonstrates hundreds of thousands of times as much power as Freeza showed or was ever stated to be capable of outputting. Or 'only' dozens of times as much power, if you want to go by battle power scaling from Vegeta's planet buster back in the Saiyan saga. And he's one of the weakest form of Buu, and was just using a fraction of his strength to do this.

That's an extreme low end estimate, by the way. The updated calc shows it's more likely that the blast was thousands of times stronger than what the previous one estimated it as, strong enough to blow up small stars.

Or maybe I should post the filler segments where Pure Buu blows up several stars, or Gohan-Buu starts tearing down the entire universe in a rage?

edited 12th Feb '14 8:56:06 PM by sockpuppet1

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#4960: Feb 12th 2014 at 9:01:27 PM

Saiyan Saga Piccolo could vape the moon with a casual ki blast.

Everything after should have destroyed continents at least but it took Perfect Cell, hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions of times stronger than that Piccolo, a charged Kamehameha to possibly blow up Earth.

edited 12th Feb '14 9:02:06 PM by Nikkolas

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#4961: Feb 12th 2014 at 9:07:00 PM

No, it was supposed to blow up the Entire Solar System, I thought.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#4962: Feb 12th 2014 at 9:09:45 PM

That's Super Perfect Cell. When Perfect Cell was flipping out and losing to SSJ 2 Gohan, he went up into the sky and fired a Kamehameha down at him, the logic being that Gohan would have to take it because otherwise the planet would be destroyed.

Least that's how I remember it.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#4963: Feb 12th 2014 at 9:29:14 PM

Yeah, but that's the same thing as the Kamehameha he used on Goku, and Goku's Kamehameha (they were afraid he'd destroy the Earth if he aimed directly at Cell) and Vegeta's Final Flash (he definitely would have destroyed Earth if he didn't manipulate the blast).

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#4964: Feb 12th 2014 at 9:46:03 PM

[up][up][up][up] They can control their energy to condense it into a small area. That's explicitly stated and shown in the Cell Saga. In the Cell Saga, literally the very first villain, King Cold, looks at the Earth and says that he can destroy a planet that small with one blast. Then he and his stronger son get taken out in one hit each by the new Mary Sue (in the anime, said Sue catches one of their planet busters and handles it like a basketball), and things just keep escalating from there until SPC states he can destroy the solar system, which in all likelihood translates to "blow up the sun".

Going by the second calc I posted, it takes until the Pure Buu arc for us to actually see that type of power: Pure Buu's suppressed ki blast was calced at red dwarf level. Some red dwarfs are pretty close in size to our sun, and I'm sure that SPC's fully charged Kamehameha was greater than Pure Buu's suppressed ki blast, which only needed to be strong enough for SS Goku/Vegeta (or, going by the anime, SS 2 Goku/Vegeta) to not be able to deflect it, which would be less than 1/4 (or 1/3) of Pure Buu's power.

That's just going by the manga, of course. In the anime, Gohan-Buu was strong enough to destroy the universe, and we had a flashback where Pure Buu destroyed several stars.

edited 12th Feb '14 11:12:49 PM by sockpuppet1

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#4965: Feb 13th 2014 at 12:20:43 AM

That's Super Perfect Cell. When Perfect Cell was flipping out and losing to SSJ 2 Gohan, he went up into the sky and fired a Kamehameha down at him, the logic being that Gohan would have to take it because otherwise the planet would be destroyed.

Least that's how I remember it.

That doesn't mean he had to charge the Kamehameha to destroy the Earth. He charged the Kamehameha to destroy Gohan. Destroying the Earth was a deliberate bait to force Gohan into taking an attack he intended to be lethal for him.

edited 13th Feb '14 12:21:39 AM by TobiasDrake

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MsCC93 Since: May, 2012
#4966: Feb 13th 2014 at 5:38:44 AM

So what do you guys think of Adult Gohan...now I know he's frowned upon by the fandom because he's not as "badass," but I like him because he finally got to have friends around his age and achieved his dreams of being a scholar.

edited 13th Feb '14 2:00:54 PM by MsCC93

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#4967: Feb 13th 2014 at 1:13:20 PM

[up] "Who cares if he's a scholar and has friends and a loving family! He's not kicking anybody's ass or giving badass one-liners! He's a lame nerd!" - The American Dragon Ball Fanbase

edited 13th Feb '14 1:14:01 PM by FireShadow

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#4968: Feb 13th 2014 at 1:21:37 PM

Fuck the fandom. I've always liked Gohan. It's not often you see a character grow up onscreen from 4-18. I liked the person Gohan grew up to be, and it's entirely believable that he's such a spaz since he never hung out with normals.

Power levels I love. What those guys in the Battledomes on narutoforums do I don't. Authors are people and make mistakes, so trying to use pixels and shit to determine blast powers is dumb since the art will vary wildly when you get to such a minute scale from image to image.

Ontopic.

edited 13th Feb '14 1:25:43 PM by Cruherrx

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#4969: Feb 13th 2014 at 1:29:40 PM

Wow, even Cleverbot hates Yamcha.

You know, with the little "Relationship status" things going on here, I feel like one of them should be "Is that a kind of food?"

edited 13th Feb '14 1:30:21 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#4970: Feb 13th 2014 at 1:45:46 PM

Heh.

And this is why I stopped defending him.

There's just no point. I'm not gonna fight the whole fucking fandom.

Not that there's much ammunition.

Any attempt to defend Yamcha just makes people mock him more.

Plus, I do find that Cleverbot post hilarious. It's just so mean it's funny.

One Strip! One Strip!
MsCC93 Since: May, 2012
#4971: Feb 13th 2014 at 2:01:58 PM

[up][up][up][up] You scared me for a minute, because I thought you were a Gohan hater.

I don't get why fans don't want to admit he wants to be a scholar. Even Toriyama said Gohan hates fighting and would rather be a scholar instead.

I'm not a huge fan of Yamcha, but I find it sad how people get bullied for defending him.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#4972: Feb 13th 2014 at 3:06:53 PM

I actually really like Yamcha because he's so pathetic. Not everyone gets to be the top dog, and Yamcha's weakness is hilarious.

Nobody hates on Mr. Satan for not being able to punch out a Super SaiyanLISTEN . Love him or hate him, it's pretty clear to everyone that being the most powerful warrior in the series is not his purpose as a character.

edited 13th Feb '14 3:07:29 PM by TobiasDrake

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ScorpioRat from Houston, Texas Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#4973: Feb 13th 2014 at 3:36:10 PM

I'm going to suggest "Is that a kind of food?" for the status bar now.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#4974: Feb 13th 2014 at 3:37:40 PM

I already did.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
ScorpioRat from Houston, Texas Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#4975: Feb 13th 2014 at 3:52:04 PM

That's okay, I found another two I liked.


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