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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#49402: Jan 10th 2017 at 5:38:00 PM

Goku can teleport.

Just throw Vegeta in the sun.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49403: Jan 10th 2017 at 5:55:45 PM

Downside, he can't survive in space.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#49404: Jan 10th 2017 at 5:56:41 PM

[up][up]Also the sun doesn't have a ki signature.

So has anyone tried reading that Zeroverse fanmanga Masako was talking about?

My various fanfics.
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#49405: Jan 10th 2017 at 5:57:18 PM

[up][up]Neither can Vegeta.

And Goku can get back from space faster than Vegeta can.

Go to the sun, drop Vegeta off and come back.

[up] I mean. Goku doesn't teleport inside of the people he senses.

edited 10th Jan '17 5:58:02 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49406: Jan 10th 2017 at 5:59:57 PM

But then he couldn't fight him.

We can't have that.

One Strip! One Strip!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#49407: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:02:00 PM

Also, the sun contributes Genki to the Spirit Bomb. Genki is one of the three parts of ki. So the Sun has at least a third of a ki signature.

edited 10th Jan '17 6:03:55 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49408: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:08:20 PM

I don't think it works that way.

Plus, it doesn't matter. Goku wants to have Vegeta around to fight, so he's not gonna kill him.

He spared him entirely so he could fight him again, even after he caused so much harm. If he won't kill him after that, he won't kill him ever.

One Strip! One Strip!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49409: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:12:36 PM

I assume the unrelenting vacuum of space and the fiery doom of the sun would do quite a bit of damage before he could port back out.

As for the "teleport to anyplace that contributes ki to a spirit bomb" thing, is the bit with Goku taking power from trees and the planet(s) itself and such in the original? Cause if it is, and he still can't teleport wherever he wants, then he probably can't port to the sun.

edited 10th Jan '17 6:19:17 PM by KnownUnknown

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49410: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:13:37 PM

Granted, he doesn't do much of anything in the first episode, but I immediately noticed we were getting shades of the usual, more explicitly heroic dub Goku.

Eh, I wouldn't worry too much about that. Kai got his reason for sparing Vegeta and not going after Gero before the androids right, etc, after all. That change you mention probably has less to do with preserving some people's visions of Goku and just that it sounds better in the moment or to match lip flaps or something.

Besides, it's not like Goku doesn't care about his family being safe (well, maybe...), and some things in Super are too explicit to be "heroed up".

edited 10th Jan '17 6:18:46 PM by LSBK

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49411: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:15:48 PM

You'd be surprised. Change the context enough, and even stuff you don't change looks different. Most of Goku's more... ambiguous moments in Super aren't too difficult to rewrite around.

edited 10th Jan '17 6:18:09 PM by KnownUnknown

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#49412: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:24:13 PM

Yea, that was pretty noticeable to me too, but Funimation does have a habit of making Goku's dialogue seem a lot more heroic than the original. Not just in Super, but in movies like Battle of Gods as well.

I suppose it's for consistency, but I don't really mind it since it's not really changing Goku's character all that much.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#49414: Jan 10th 2017 at 7:01:05 PM

"Stop enjoying destruction!" vs "I will not let you destroy my world!"

On a side note, the sun producing Genki makes sense, but it also has no bearing on whether the sun has a senseable Ki signature, since everything has Genki. Genki is the energy present at the smallest and most basic atomic level.

edited 10th Jan '17 7:02:23 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#49416: Jan 10th 2017 at 8:56:30 PM

[up]...with some tweaking, that would work great Dragon Ball for wouldn't it?

"I was transported to faraway planet, to a world, where monsters rule! I became the god of my race, now I'm in the this place, to save the monsters from the, evil zoo!"

edited 10th Jan '17 9:04:29 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#49417: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:55:56 AM

I added an image to Dragon Ball Super.

Do you think it fits?

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#49418: Jan 11th 2017 at 3:07:31 AM

Pfft, everyone knows that genki is the energy generated by teenage girls.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#49419: Jan 11th 2017 at 6:09:38 AM

The question for me is, do people hate it as much as GT and Evolution?

Well, broadly speaking, no. SOME people do if that was what you're asking, but there are so many different fan circles and Super is obviously very popular right now.

Maybe if you look at Super once it has aged the amount GT has at this point, you'd see a similar sentiment. But individual perceptions of quality aside, I highly doubt it, because there are so many other factors that go into it and Super was in a much better position to succeed, as it came at a time where new DB content was in high demand and low supply, while GT came right on the heels of the more successful anime (and manga) which were still fresh enough to be its competition. And then there's the recent trend of sequels/remakes of older works, as illustrated quite well in our current Hollywood trends.

But if I were to go into all the different factors surrounding the timing and receptions of both series I'd just ramble on. So yeah, if you're talking about people at large, I definitely don't think the reaction is comparable. Among the circles that ARE critical of Super, it's easy to find fans that dislike it as much as GT or more-so. There are also fandoms out there that treat GT more favourably than Super, for a variety of reasons (hardcore GT fans who might hate Super for competing/replacing it or for not being along the same vein as GT, fans who don't necessarily like GT but believe Super is having a larger negative impact/is simply worse, etc).

edit: Also, the questions back about curing the Heart Virus with Senzu or Dragon Balls: people are very quick to say Toriyama didn't think about things when they themselves haven't considered the circumstance. Goku's own heart episode took 3 days total, only a small window of which was life threatening for him. The only reason it was a big deal in the current timeline was because it happened while he was fighting, they can't very well do anything about it at that time and he had shown no symptoms beforehand for them to fix. The senzu healing tissue damage is logical, but he was in the middle of having an episode. Since it can't cure the virus, it doesn't matter if he's continuing to take damage from it while an Android is pummeling his face in.

As for the future timeline, he caught the virus and died. Shenron can't revive him after that, so you're making the leap that he caught the virus and held on long enough for them to gather the Dragon Balls without the sole teleporter's help.

edited 11th Jan '17 6:14:41 AM by Saiga

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#49420: Jan 11th 2017 at 6:47:34 AM

But the Senzu ended up making it worse anyway...so it didn't matter.

We don't know how fast Karrot died, at their very best effort...the Z-warriors "could" find the dragon balls within a day even without his help. But maybe he died the very day they found out he had the virus, which means they had no time.

edited 11th Jan '17 6:48:08 AM by randomness4

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#49421: Jan 11th 2017 at 6:49:58 AM

It took more than one day to Goku to find them when he had the ability to teleport anywhere on Earth that he could find a ki signature. The group's flight travel time is actually not very fast, Goku wouldn't need to die in the same day to be beyond the Dragon Ball's reach.

Especially when they can't even identify the illness or its severity.

edited 11th Jan '17 6:50:14 AM by Saiga

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#49422: Jan 11th 2017 at 6:53:39 AM

His style of teleportation isn't that useful for trying to find lifeless rocks when they can literally be "anywhere"...so yeah, that's not really a factor I'd rely on.

Supreme Kai's would be much more useful.

edited 11th Jan '17 6:55:16 AM by randomness4

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#49423: Jan 11th 2017 at 6:55:37 AM

It's incredibly useful. Goku can sense a human-sized ki across the planet, and teleport from one end to the other. By using the Dragon Radar, he can at the very least get far closer to the ball than anyone with flight.

Kai Kai (Kibito/Kibitoshin's ability) would just be cheating.tongue

edited 11th Jan '17 6:55:59 AM by Saiga

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#49424: Jan 11th 2017 at 6:59:23 AM

He can travel faster, but if there's no life anywhere close around a particular dragon ball, it may just be faster to fly.

He's just lucky Dinosaurs still exist, being awesome and convenient.

edited 11th Jan '17 7:00:24 AM by randomness4

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#49425: Jan 11th 2017 at 7:05:27 AM

Given the speed of teleportation, that would require them to be the one already closest to the ball.

Which is not going to be very likely.


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