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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#49376: Jan 10th 2017 at 8:58:29 AM

I thought about the "disease" vs "virus" part too, but if you really look at it from a micro-level, the end result is still the same; viruses themselves don't kill you, the effect they have on your cells kill you. So it's all just damaged tissue anyway.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49377: Jan 10th 2017 at 10:59:41 AM

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Come to think of it, they didn't even need the vaccine for the virus. All they needed were to gather the dragon balls and wish away the virus. I'm surprised they didn't try that.

Then again, they refused to just wish that Dr. Gero would fail to create the androids in the first place, or use the balls to find out where he was, wreck all his shit (without killing him), so yeah. Dramatic Tension when it makes no sense is more important.

Also, let me just say that I like Super. Not everything, but still.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#49378: Jan 10th 2017 at 11:01:20 AM

Obviously Goku wanted to beat the virus on its own terms.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#49379: Jan 10th 2017 at 11:04:28 AM

Found a random thing about Episode 77. Sorta spoilers, so don't look if you care about those.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#49381: Jan 10th 2017 at 11:28:02 AM

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Man, those Dragon Ball things sure sound useful.....

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49382: Jan 10th 2017 at 12:06:03 PM

It's not dramatic tension so much as it is an Idiot Plot that is justified because the characters really are idiots.

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#49383: Jan 10th 2017 at 12:16:14 PM

Except for Bulma, who is a world class genius.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49384: Jan 10th 2017 at 12:22:00 PM

Pretty much.

She should not have just sat around and waited. Though considering how dangerous the DBZ world is, I can picture her not wanting to try anything without one of those guys backing her.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49385: Jan 10th 2017 at 12:29:30 PM

[up][up]That's why everyone ignores her when she has an actually decent suggestion.

[up]You're talking about Bulma.

This woman went on a world tour, alone, when she was like 15. All she had for protection was a pistol.

Bulma is very smart, but she is also an idiot.

edited 10th Jan '17 12:30:28 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#49386: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:02:20 PM

I was flipping through that section at the bookstore the other day, and when Bulma is getting annoyed at all those fight crazy idiots, Krillin takes her aside and points out that pretty much everyone there started out as an enemy of Goku, even himself. And that while Piccolo is cool now, without a common enemy to go against Vegeta might flip out and blow up the earth or something. Which, well, fair. Vegeta is still kind of an evil dick at that point.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49387: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:06:49 PM

...Oh right.

That's a good point. I often forget that Krillin did that.

It took ten years for it to take effect though.

edited 10th Jan '17 1:08:39 PM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49388: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:19:23 PM

Vegeta is at no danger of blowing up the Earth so long as Goku lives there because, even when there is no common enemy, Vegeta would much rather fight Goku than destroy Earth.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49389: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:27:09 PM

Well, he did eventually become a danger. He became a Super Saiyan after all.

I think it was said he might have actually been stronger then Goku during that time, at least until they did the Hyper Tonic Lion Tamer Training.

I mean, if Goku were willing to just kill him, it wouldn't be an issue, but he still wouldn't even kill Frieza after everything he did (he explicitly spared Vegeta because he wanted to fight him again above all else, even though he tried to kill them all, and indirectly killed a lot of them as well) so finding a way to get Vegeta to Heel–Face Turn probably was a better option.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49390: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:29:28 PM

Had Goku not had to train Gohan to fight the androids, he would've likely been much stronger.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49391: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:42:06 PM

This is true.

Then again, when given the same source of training (the chamber, and a sparing partner) Goku still blew past Vegeta despite having to train Gohan as well. And this is considering Vegeta and Trunks stayed the full year while Goku and Gohan came out early.

In fact, I wonder what would have happened if Goku had used that remaining time to doing some more training on his own instead of deciding to let Gohan do it.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49392: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:51:17 PM

Goku's training with Gohan in the Time Chamber was infinitely more efficient AND he started out with a much stronger Gohan who quickly blew right past him in terms of power.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#49393: Jan 10th 2017 at 3:08:36 PM

Quality of training is way more important than the amount of it. Compare the 9 years old Gohan during Cell games with the Adult Gohan from future timeline.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49394: Jan 10th 2017 at 3:11:55 PM

True.

Trunks was Incompletely Trained himself, and Vegeta only recently started to train. Add to the fact that they likely only trained on their own (at best, Vegeta likely used Trunks as a punching bag) compared to Goku properly sparring with Gohan (who received more training then his future self) and you can see the difference.

edited 10th Jan '17 3:12:10 PM by HandsomeRob

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49395: Jan 10th 2017 at 3:46:44 PM

Goku maybe a bit naive but he is really good at training and conditioning.

"Mai waifu."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49396: Jan 10th 2017 at 3:53:12 PM

Well, he had a lot of good teachers.

Even to this day, he's still applying a lot of the stuff he learned even from Master Roshi I think.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49397: Jan 10th 2017 at 4:17:31 PM

I know it's a few pages late, but @ the dub of Super bringing Blood Knight Goku to an English-speaking audience... I wouldn't be too sure.

Granted, he doesn't do much of anything in the first episode, but I immediately noticed we were getting shades of the usual, more explicitly heroic dub Goku. For example, in the original his reason for wanting to train is more simply to be strong enough to fight strong opponents, while dub Goku's reason is wanting to be strong enough to protect the people he cares about from powerful threats.

edited 10th Jan '17 4:20:11 PM by KnownUnknown

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49398: Jan 10th 2017 at 4:43:48 PM

I think this will be the best example of how much they're willing to change just to make the character more palatable to the younger audience they intend to target.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49399: Jan 10th 2017 at 4:52:25 PM

Given that the dub is still being made by Funimation (as far as I know), I'm more inclined to think they're just being consistent.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49400: Jan 10th 2017 at 4:53:24 PM

I suppose in the end it was either consistency or accuracy, and they chose the former. Damned if you do, damned if you do the other thing, damned if you do neither.

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