TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Dragon Ball

Go To

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#49126: Jan 5th 2017 at 9:06:16 AM

No. The team is Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin, Tien, Roshi, Lapis, Lazuli, Picollo and Buu.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#49127: Jan 5th 2017 at 9:14:31 AM

I don't know those two before piccollo besides a steven universe character. it's nice to see krillin, and tien and roshi doing something. also no yamcha? I thought he would show up to lose into his death pose again

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#49128: Jan 5th 2017 at 9:16:49 AM

Lapis = 17

Lazuli = 18

This song needs more love.
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#49129: Jan 5th 2017 at 9:17:45 AM

I didn't know they had actual names, they always just called them 17/18 in the show

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#49130: Jan 5th 2017 at 9:19:34 AM

Toriyama clarified that their actual names are Lapis and Lazuli in an interview. It's never come up in the series, though.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49131: Jan 5th 2017 at 11:27:02 AM

It's likely that not even 17 and 18 care about what their original names were. They're just 17 and 18 now.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#49132: Jan 5th 2017 at 11:50:56 AM

Given that she entered as "Number 18" at the 25th Budokai, I always assumed that she literally forgot what her name was.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49133: Jan 5th 2017 at 12:19:40 PM

[up][up] & [up] Toriyama says a lot of things. tongue

Source:Kanzenshuu Artificial Humans & Cell Arc, vol. 6: Dragon Ball Q&A

Q5: Please tell me Artificial Humans No. 17 and No. 18’s names from back when they were humans!

No. 17 is Lapis, No. 18 is Lazuli!

edited 5th Jan '17 12:38:15 PM by GAP

"Mai waifu."
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#49134: Jan 5th 2017 at 2:06:57 PM

[up][up]

Yeah, they probably don't remember their old lives.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#49135: Jan 5th 2017 at 2:40:09 PM

Getting turned off by an old man probably did have some effect on their memories...

Otherwise...they just didn't care.

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49136: Jan 5th 2017 at 3:37:29 PM

I wouldn't worry about Goku and Vegeta turning the other characters into bit players this time. This is a big tournament with a lot of fights, which means it's going to be an arc of decent length that - by definition - will have a lot of repetition. Most long tournament arcs focus on an ensemble for that very reason, because in that kind of plot there's only so much a single or even two characters can carry before it just becomes the same thing over and over with slightly different opponents.

For that reason I expect a wide use of the characters and a few major subplots, including some focus mini-arcs for the other members of the team.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#49137: Jan 5th 2017 at 3:58:26 PM

Didn't we say that about the Universe 6 tournament and it still ended up just being a showcase for Goku and Vegeta?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#49138: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:19:05 PM

The U6/U7 tournament involved 10 people, in total. The Multiverse Tournament involves 120 people, assuming the ten from U7 are indicative of similar numbers from each of the other Universes.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#49139: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:25:14 PM

Wait, is Beerus participating?

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#49141: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:46:12 PM

I would assume not, since Gods of Destruction fighting each other causes universes to vanish.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49142: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:49:49 PM

Indeed. Not to mention Zeno is there and the Gods are scared of him.

edited 5th Jan '17 4:51:34 PM by GAP

"Mai waifu."
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#49143: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:50:37 PM

Quick question: Is there anything preventing Majin Buu from learning Kaioken? Because with his regeneration abilities to remove the ability's only downside, he'd be all but unstoppable.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49144: Jan 5th 2017 at 5:06:29 PM

...

I don't think there is. Buu doesn't need to train for it; just see it (he copied the Kamehameha by merely seeing it).

But I'm sure the writers or Toriyama himself will either come up with a reason why that won't happen, or just never bother, so it's a moot point.

One Strip! One Strip!
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#49145: Jan 5th 2017 at 5:14:32 PM

Didnt pretty much everyone learn the kamehameha by just seeing it?

edited 5th Jan '17 5:14:56 PM by Deadpoolrocks

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49146: Jan 5th 2017 at 5:21:13 PM

Neither Yamcha nor Krillin could manage it from sight alone (though Yamcha DID learn it on his own, it took him training under Roshi), there's also no indication that Vegeta did, or Piccolo, Cell had it in his genes, Gohan likely had to be taught since he didn't use it before training with Goku, Roshi took 50 years to develop it...

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#49147: Jan 5th 2017 at 5:50:34 PM

That's actually one of my favorite small details from the 22nd Tournament: that Yamcha apparently trained more than Krillin, in secret, to master the Kamehameha.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#49148: Jan 5th 2017 at 6:58:07 PM

Oh yeah, on the whole Beerus thing...Universe 7 already has ten fighters, and that seems to be what each universe gets to have.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49149: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:24:17 AM

Didn't we say that about the Universe 6 tournament and it still ended up just being a showcase for Goku and Vegeta?

That, like most of the earlier Super arcs, had the quality of being less of a fully drawn out plot and more of a single battle split up into parts and given a bit of foreplay. As a story, it's actually very short, and the small number of opponents and relatively lower stakes made is easy for Goku and Vegeta to run the show with only minimal input from the other characters.

This story can't really be the same thing because, for one, it would need to be three times as long at least - and that's only if the tournament actually turns out to be single elimination. There are a lot of characters colliding here.

And the more fights and matches there are, there more there needs to be in between those matches to keep the action from oversaturating the story and getting boring. Goku and Vegeta are going to be the protagonists, for sure, but they can't carry this entire thing on their backs like the could the earlier storylines.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#49150: Jan 6th 2017 at 1:51:47 AM

Quick question: Is there anything preventing Majin Buu from learning Kaioken? Because with his regeneration abilities to remove the ability's only downside, he'd be all but unstoppable.

Boo still has stamina, can sustain damage, or be instantly obliterated. The Kaio-ken isn't necessarily safe for him even with his advantages.

Furthermore, there's no implication it can be taken up to an infinitely high degree as long as you survive it. We've seen it go up to x20 at most, with no idea how high the ceiling might be.

At any rate, there's no real reason it would be impossible for him to learn it, but Goku's a combat genius and Kaio was still amazed that he could learn it. They don't really address why other characters (like Piccolo) don't have it, but it's probably meant to be because of how difficult it is to learn.

The fact that anyone can potentially learn it is probably why Toriyama retired it, because it'd create problems if every threat and ally needed to have their own Kaio-ken to keep up. At least with Super Saiyan he can choose who has it, and created villains/allies who can keep up with that power in other ways. If Kaio-ken was still around and anyone could learn it, then every villain would need to have it, otherwise the audience would know the villain isn't as strong as they could potentially be. It'd be very monotonous.


Total posts: 130,800
Top