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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#49026: Jan 2nd 2017 at 2:10:04 AM

That confuses me as well but then again they fight would had been over in seconds if he did.

"Mai waifu."
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#49027: Jan 2nd 2017 at 4:53:45 AM

That.

  • Kaioken is an ace in the hole. He didn't use Kaioken instantly against Vegeta, or against Ginyu, or against Cooler. He didn't use it against Zamasu until he didn't have a choice.
  • Rule of Drama.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#49028: Jan 2nd 2017 at 6:03:28 AM

Except he used it on Dr. Wheelo, Turles, and on Cooler in both of his movies.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#49029: Jan 2nd 2017 at 6:07:43 AM

Also the Kaioken stopped existing at that point, it was replaced by Super Saiyan however Toei hadn't figured out how it was supposed to be colored yet. It was flat out intended to be normal Super Saiyan.

It wasn't the first or the last time Toei has done that for its movies, several of the Pretty Cure All Stars movies have different colors and such for the newest series, those are in production for a long time and by a different team from the main series.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#49030: Jan 2nd 2017 at 6:14:23 AM

Except he used it on Dr. Wheelo, Turles, and on Cooler in both of his movies.

But you asked:

why didn't Goku, at any point, try to use the Kaio-ken on Lord Slug before he went Pseudo Super Saiyan?

I'm saying that just like Wheelo, Turles, and Cooler he didn't activate it until he was overwhelmed. He didn't use it at the start of any of those fights.

wild mass guess the reason Goku didn't use it is because prior to Slug throwing him through a bus he seemed to be fighting evenly with Slug. After getting thrown through said bus he was severely bruised and standing shirtless in the middle of a wintry battlefield and probably wasn't thinking straight - as evidence by him immediately becoming enraged and overwhelming Slug.

edited 2nd Jan '17 6:31:00 AM by Soble

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#49031: Jan 2nd 2017 at 6:22:15 AM

It's the modus operandi of almost all of anime Non Serial Movies to have an 11th-Hour Superpower like Kaioken, Super Saiyan, Spirit Bomb, etc.

All the heroes have to get their butts kicked before the last ~5 minutes of the fight when they use the power.

It's so ingrained into these movies that it's got its own genre name in Japan, one I forget the name of. The precure movies even use audience participation to get that power.

edited 2nd Jan '17 6:26:12 AM by Memers

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#49032: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:16:06 AM

Okay, I admit, as tired as I am of seeing Vegeta successful, that fight versus Frost was satisfying. I also like the Vegeta almost loses because he refuses to use Kakarot's strategy but wins anyway because Champa called Vados a dumbass twist...we didn't get the satisfaction of post buu saga Vegeta being significantly weaker than pre buu saga Goku, but maybe that's for the better, as it raises too many other questions. I can also see why people prefer the anime version of Goku vs Hit too.

The anime actually went more along my line of thinking. Goku mentioned instant transmission while talking with the Galactic King and instantly" moved to counter where Hit was going to strike. That's a lot'' better than going limp from using blue twice in a row and somehow not realizing it, much more clever application than turning your body and hope he doesn't catch up in time. Yes, Dragon Ball Super starts at episode 28!

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#49033: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:53:28 AM

Except Vegeta hasn't been that successful.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#49034: Jan 2nd 2017 at 12:13:31 PM

Except Goku tried to use Kaio-ken x10 immediately once he saw that Turles was kicking his ass, and was winning once he did until Turles ate one of the Fruit of Might.

Against Lord Slug, he never tries at all, resorting to having his allies give him energy before the Pseudo Super Saiyan thing happens, and we know he still knows the Kaio-ken as he used it on Giant Slug to punch a hole through him after Piccolo gave him his energy. It's even dumber in the English dub, since they have Goku saying that he's tried all of his techniques on Slug, and nothing is working; not only had he not used the Kaio-ken at all before he said that, he hadn't even tried a Kamehameha either.

edited 2nd Jan '17 12:14:29 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49035: Jan 2nd 2017 at 12:23:13 PM

Oh, look, a movie that was likely written by people who didn't give a fuck has a plothole, whoda thunk it.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#49036: Jan 2nd 2017 at 12:56:55 PM

Tired of seeing Veggie being successful?

This makes no sense...

It requires Vegetarian to have been successful a large amount of times...to be tired of it.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49037: Jan 2nd 2017 at 1:08:42 PM

What how can you not want Vegeta or any other character that isn't Goku be successful? tongue

edited 2nd Jan '17 1:08:56 PM by GAP

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49038: Jan 2nd 2017 at 1:10:50 PM

Well, not wanting Vegeta to be succesful is a pretty normal thing. You're not supposed to like him, he's kind of an ass.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#49039: Jan 2nd 2017 at 1:13:17 PM

He's kind of stopped being one after his resurrection in the Buu Saga though; most of it nowadays just comes from his pride.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49040: Jan 2nd 2017 at 1:19:29 PM

... No he's still an ass, just because he is also a relatively good person doesn't mean he isn't also an asshole.

Good Is Not Nice.

edited 2nd Jan '17 1:19:38 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#49041: Jan 2nd 2017 at 1:20:03 PM

Nowadays he's just Goku BFF.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#49042: Jan 2nd 2017 at 1:23:52 PM

[up][up]He's too likeable to be unlikeable...

Or maybe that's just Randomness' mind talkin'...

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49043: Jan 2nd 2017 at 1:31:03 PM

The only reason he's 'likable' is because he's the universe's punching bag.

If he's winning, he's a smug asshole. If he's not winning, he's a smug asshole who gets what's coming to him.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49045: Jan 2nd 2017 at 1:54:44 PM

Didn't we just get done discussing Goku being out of character in Super?

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#49046: Jan 2nd 2017 at 1:56:53 PM

Oh, they will NEVER be done discussing it.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#49047: Jan 2nd 2017 at 2:08:24 PM

I love to watch Vegeta talk shit only to get promptly kicked in the face.

But recently his role evolved from "punching bag" to "Goku's rival" and that okay too. Goku needs Vegeta to keep him on his toes.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#49048: Jan 2nd 2017 at 2:20:44 PM

Vegeta getting shit made a lot more sense when he was still antagonistic; him continously getting shit after that just seems mean-spirited.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49049: Jan 2nd 2017 at 2:28:49 PM

@IANCE

Never tongue

Vegeta getting his ass kicked isn't that bad but once in awhile he has to more than just a jobber.

"Mai waifu."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49050: Jan 2nd 2017 at 2:31:07 PM

If the rest of the group can't get out of being Jobbers, then why should Vegeta?

The only difference is that now he's jobbing despite not making things worse, even if he's still an asshole.

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