I get the impression that Toriyama doesn't care half as much about canon as some of his more zealous fans Game FA Qs thinks he does
. I've never seen an interview where he actually disowned any part of the series either.
Some of the more eager fans are happier claiming that GT is invalidated because Toriyama had more influence on Battle of Gods and Dragonball Online, and more or less because they both ignore events in GT.
edited 10th Feb '14 8:20:00 AM by FOFD
BOG doesn't ignore GT.
Anyway, like Saiga noted, there is no such thing as"the Dragon Ball canon". If someone tells you otherwise, they're either lying ("Toriyama said [something he'd never say]") or just being arrogant ("I don't like it so it doesn't count"). The canon is whatever you want it to be. Any personal canon is as valid as any other. Though there are some stories that quite simply can't fit together with either other EU stories (e.g. GT and DBO) or the manga itself (e.g. every single movie including BOG except 5 and 13, and maybe 9 and 1) due to continuity issues.
I don't see how 5 fits. It requires Goku to have gone back to earth after defeating Frieza, rather than spending time off-planet. He hasn't quite mastered Super Saiyan yet, so it can't be after his return from Yardrat since he had pretty much full control over the transformation by then.
The only movies that don't really contradict the main series are 9, 13, and 14, and only because they take place after it or within the time gap. And even then 14 has some errors as far as I remember, while 9 has King Kai dead, which was anime-only. I guess movie 8 doesn't really have contradictions, as long as you're willing to believe they'd take off to some other planet in the middle of their training for the Cell Games.
edited 10th Feb '14 10:07:01 AM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!No, you're jumping to conclusions. 5 takes place in the android training. It just requires you to suspend your disbelief and believe that Goku would use a lower form and only transform after being nearly beaten to death. This is a typical Toei thing. It happens in every single movie. If you're going to fault it for that, you also can't count 9, 13, and 14. 5 and 13 are the only ones with no explicit continuity errors at all.
9 has the issue of Gohan stating he hadn't seen his father since the Cell Games in the Buu arc. 8 has Vegeta and Trunks still using Grade II and the world not being locked down in panic. 1 has Krillin not knowing Gohan when going by this film he should.
14 is simply loaded with continuity errors, and is completely impossible to reconcile with the series beyond ignoring huge chunks of the movie. It seems to be an alternate timeline where Mr. Satan succeeded in turning Fat Buu good, and Super Buu was never formed.
edited 10th Feb '14 10:23:07 AM by sockpuppet1
Are we talking about the same movies?
9 is the Bojack one, 13 is the Hirudegarn one, 14 is Battle of the Gods. And 8 is the first Broly one, but it's been a while since I've seen it so I might have missed a continuity error.
12 is the one where it seems Super Buu never happened: Goku and Vegeta are still dead, but Buu is no longer a threat.
edited 10th Feb '14 10:27:26 AM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!The anime and manga just don't connect as a whole. The anime often contradicts or outright changes events from the manga, so trying to get you to stick to the source material is actually a pretty reasonable distinction to make when you're trying to maintain a coherent understanding of a character.
edited 10th Feb '14 2:48:04 PM by sockpuppet1
It is my hope that someday we get a "true" GT where they use the same concepts (SS 4, evil dragonballs etc) and main arc villains (Baby, S17, Omega), but actually do them competently.
It'll likely never happen, but I used to think that about Vegeta getting his own movie.
Nah, fuck Vegeta. One of the reasons I like the Buu Saga so much is that he's a complete Butt-Monkey there.

New J-Stars trailer shows some Frieza gameplay:
edited 9th Feb '14 10:55:12 PM by Rinsankajugin