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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#48576: Dec 19th 2016 at 4:51:57 PM

Though it looks like things will reach the point where Rose is introduced.

At the least, we'll have less back tracking then in the anime.

Heroes: Lets go to the future!

<Everyone gets beat up>

Heroes: Run away!

Wash, rinse, repeat.

edited 19th Dec '16 4:53:53 PM by HandsomeRob

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#48577: Dec 19th 2016 at 4:55:42 PM

HAKAI is the sand thing Beerus did in Battle of Gods. Good!

Liking the pacing so far, as well.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#48578: Dec 19th 2016 at 4:59:04 PM

[up][up]To be fair,Time Travel does allow for such cheap stunts.No hurry here! tongue

Manga gets extra extra points for having Shin do stuff.Anime kinda made him into a joke.And shrunk him.

edited 19th Dec '16 5:11:40 PM by alekos23

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#48579: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:13:59 PM

'Hakai' just means 'destroy', and it's one of the perks of being a Hakaioshin, a God of Destruction. As Beerus explained in Super's Battle of Gods arc, the job comes with the ability to destroy anything from existence, up to and including matter itself and energy.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48580: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:16:39 PM

Though it looks like things will reach the point where Rose is introduced. At the least, we'll have less back tracking then in the anime. Heroes: Lets go to the future! <Everyone gets beat up> Heroes: Run away! Wash, rinse, repeat.

Yeah, Toyo's meshing both encounters with Goku Black into one fight and then making Vegeta the person fighting. In actually, the manga is exactly like how the arc started in the anime.

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#48581: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:25:46 PM

When you think about it, Zamasu has died more than any character in Dragonball, even Krillin:

  • Present Zamasu gets erased by Beerus
  • Goku Black destroys his original body, essentially ceases to exist when he merges with Future Zamasu and is killed by Future Beerus in another timeline
  • Future Zamasu has a similar scenario to Goku Black, though keeps his original body
  • Merged Zamasu is physically killed thanks to Future Trunks and his soul is annihilated by Future Zen'o

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48582: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:48:22 PM

[up][up] Given how things are going, the entire arc will probably be resolved in this one trip. There's no reason for them to go back and Merged Zamasu seems to be coming next month.

I did like how they pointed out Black only killed the other gods by killing the Supreme Kais tied to them. It does have the unfortunate side effect of making Black into an Adaptational Wimp however.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#48583: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:50:20 PM

I assumed that was how he always did it.

I mean, as strong as Black was, I still got the feeling he wasn't actually a match for Beerus, mostly because most characters who aren't Whis, Vados, Zen-O's attendant, or Zen-O himself aren't supposed to be.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48584: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:51:34 PM

That was always how I though Goku Black killed off Beerus. He was never a match for him in a direct fight.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48585: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:56:10 PM

Didn't someone say Black was supposed to be second to Beerus though? Oh well. I don't mind the manga, but a lot of the more fun parts of the Anime are gone.

At the very least, Goku's far more bearable as a character.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#48586: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:58:01 PM

Amen.

I don't mind the manga. Having two versions of a story is kind of neat. And I dig them extending the first round between Goku and Beerus.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48587: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:00:07 PM

Black isn't actually second to Beerus, and that statement was made by the director of the anime.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#48588: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:06:02 PM

That statement isn't inaccurate...there was no one in between Blackarrot and Beers...but the gap is still considerably wide.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48589: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:07:45 PM

It's inaccurate because Champa is second to Beerus.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#48590: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:08:14 PM

Is he? I thought they were about even.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48591: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:09:14 PM

[up][up][up] It's not like he has anymore say over the series than Toyotaro, but I guess people really don't want to acknowledge anything from the Anime as canon lol.

edited 19th Dec '16 6:09:34 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48592: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:11:02 PM

[up][up]Champa is close enough in power that he's a better fit for being second only to Beerus. Remember that Beerus really far above everyone that's not an Angel or Zeno, and Goku Black still choose murdering the other Kais over fighting Beerus directly.

edited 19th Dec '16 6:14:34 PM by VeryMelon

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#48593: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:22:47 PM

I mean, Beerus can also will people out of existence just by pointing at you. Him letting anyone fight him instead of just doing that is a luxury, a luxury that Black would have never gotten.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48594: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:27:00 PM

I wonder if that ability is related to his general power. Which is to say, I wonder if a particularly weak God Of Destruction could still Hakai an enemy considerably more powerful than themselves, simply because that's the nature of the ability.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48595: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:41:34 PM

Given the fact that Whis was quite willing to replace Beerus... It's entirely possible that such a confrontation simply would never happen because the attendant would make the stronger being the God of Destruction.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#48596: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:44:13 PM

He was asking Goku to replace Beerus when he died. Beerus isn't going to be replaced until he kicks the bucket, which might be eons from now.

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#48597: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:51:09 PM

I'm assuming the Angels are meant to be mentors and advisers to their respective god; that's why they're generally stronger. Hell, Whis and Vados` father probably has the same relationshp with Zeno.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48598: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:55:14 PM

Goku is a mortal and Whis knows that - if they wait for Beerus to die naturally, Goku'll already be long gone, and that is assuming that Beerus isn't ageless in the first place.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48599: Dec 19th 2016 at 7:12:51 PM

I think Whis was half-joking when he offered Goku the position.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#48600: Dec 19th 2016 at 8:04:05 PM

Seeing Vegeta beat down on Black again just reminded me how pointless the moment really was. At least the manga version makes a bit more sense because Black's not using SSR. It's not just Vegeta becoming stronger than the guy who kicked their asses just by going into the Ro Sa T for a few months. Even though they were in there for 3 years last time and said they probably wouldn't be able to get stronger.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!

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