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thok That's Dr. Title, thank you! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#48526: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:09:29 PM

[up][up] If you have to ask, you can't afford Hit.

edited 17th Dec '16 8:09:39 PM by thok

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#48527: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:11:49 PM

Also, is he specific about the currency or does he accept money from any planet?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#48528: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:19:54 PM

Man, Hit is actually a god; I love how this episode emphasizes that he's an assassin first and a fighter second. No fancy techniques, he just kills you and bails.

Yea, the lack of explanation on most of the god stuff is kind of annoying...it's not even just the Super anime; ROF had this with Super Saiyan Blue too.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#48529: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:26:47 PM

The anime did imply the ritual was part of it, since Vegeta was able to keep up with the Beerus vs Super Saiyan God Goku after it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48530: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:30:13 PM

[up]

Toriyama doesn't really plan this stuff out. Remember, it was years before we got a lot of explanations about things.

Lapis and Lazuli?

Satan having once met Tao Pai Pai (which everyone calls bullshit on anyway).

I would agree that those involved in the ritual might have soaked up a bit of God Ki by default.

Except that would mean that Goten and Gohan could do it as well, and we can clearly see they can't.

I didn't expect to agree with Saiga on this one, but in the process of trying to disagree with him, I found more (from my perspective) Fridge Logic on the whole thing.

Fuck it. I just want good fights. An explanation would be nice, but that's clearly not gonna happen when they are just working off cliff notes.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#48531: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:35:35 PM

Yeah, but Goten and Gohan haven't trained with Whis.

Anyway, back to Hit. I love that Hit completely ignores his targets men and doesn't harm any of them. I guess he only kills those he was hired to kill.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#48532: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:38:02 PM

Man, Hit is actually a god;

...I really hope this is just hyperbole.

Is he actually just another God of Destruction?

edited 17th Dec '16 8:43:11 PM by Soble

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48533: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:40:24 PM

[up][up][up][up] No. There is no implication anywhere that those things are connected.

Don't say it's implied when you're coming up with your own conclusion.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48534: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:42:20 PM

Goku let his arrogance blind him.

Sure, he knew he'd never seen the full extent of Hit's powers, and he had his guard up the entire time, but it's funny how even with that (and he was forewarned of the attack) once Hit decided to git er dun, Goku couldn't do shit.

That's the full difference in their abilities. I guess the question for me it, was Hit always able to do that extra shit, or did being forced to improve during his fight with Goku lead to him expanding his arsenal (and it was already implied he was pulling his punches, so Goku really had no clue what he was up against despite fighting him).

[up]

Do you have your own theories on the matter Saiga? I mean, I can see where you're coming from. If we just start tossing out our own theories, it leads to mass misinformation because people start assuming those theories are fact.

But still, right now, all we have is theories, and I don't see much harm in speculation.

edited 17th Dec '16 8:44:08 PM by HandsomeRob

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#48535: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:45:16 PM

I wonder if this mini-arc is happening because they're going to kill off Hit and maybe all of U6 in the tournament as a Sacrificial Lamb. This way, we can see what Hit can do while trying to kill before he gets killed off for real.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48536: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:46:49 PM

[up] Doubtful, giving this is only happening in the anime.

[up][up] I've had plenty of theories, but it's kind of pointless when we can never really know.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#48537: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:50:35 PM

[up]×4

Except it was very clearly implied, watch the episode.

It was something Vegeta couldn't do before, but could after the ritual. The others needed Whis help, but Vegeta could keep up without it.

I just rewatched that scene. Even Whis was surprised.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48538: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:50:58 PM

[up][up]

I don't know. Sometimes it's fun to speculate. Doesn't matter if you know if it's true or not.

And it's great when it turns out your theory or random idea is actually spot on.

That being said, trying to guess what Toriyama will do sometimes can be hard, since, while he has come to have his patterns, his modus operandi is mainly This seems cool. I'mma do that shit.

[up]Was that in Super or BOG?

It sounds likes Toei added that to explain Vegeta's later ascension to God, meaning they may have decided that he did gain the power through the ritual.

edited 17th Dec '16 8:52:11 PM by HandsomeRob

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48539: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:53:16 PM

What episode are you talking about, then? Because I remember Whis being surprised at how stubborn Vegeta was being.

Also, the others left Whis behind so they didn't rely on him to show them.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#48540: Dec 18th 2016 at 2:33:51 AM

So what I'm getting from this episode is that Whis hired Hit as a training for Goku?

Hit seems to have improved a lot. His time skip now lasts a lot longer and he can make himself intangible.

Funny how the episode ends on such a dramatic note and then the preview shows that Goku is fine.

zsmg Since: Jul, 2011
#48541: Dec 18th 2016 at 2:35:17 AM

He still looks tiny but he's definitely growing up: Goten no longer thinks the Great Saiyaman costume looks cool, poor Gohan. :(

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#48542: Dec 18th 2016 at 3:02:52 AM

I do kinda wish we had an arc that wasn't just about some master plan the gods had for them. It feels like Goku and Vegeta don't really have any agency in this series in general. They just do what Beerus and Whis and Zeno tell them to do.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#48543: Dec 18th 2016 at 3:13:28 AM

[up] They also seem to make Goku into a parody of himself, I know Goku isn't some super genius but he isn't that simple and foolish.

"Mai waifu."
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#48544: Dec 18th 2016 at 5:55:34 AM

Okay. Bulma just hit Goku with a car. While he was carrying a giant fish. And she attacked him immediately after. [lol]

On the other hand, Goku likes tuna. Blegh.

And whoo, Hit is a badass, not a god.

edited 18th Dec '16 6:06:52 AM by Soble

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#48545: Dec 18th 2016 at 6:12:00 AM

What kind of tuna did you have to have such a reaction? Because damn if a bluefin isn't one of the most exquisite sea meats.

A damn shame overfishing is going on, and certain Japanese companies (Mitsubishi for instance) are freezing good specimens to sell them once the species goes extinct. Nevermind the fact that r-strategists recover quite easily, as long as space is given, and pressure shifts from the large specimens to the smaller ones.

And turning intentionally a renewable resource into a not renewable one, just so once it runs out you can get a fuckton of money ONCE, is outright moronic.

Gotta love Hit, in any case. Weak, but Skilled needs some love in Dragon Ball, after all.

edited 18th Dec '16 6:12:58 AM by Eriorguez

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#48546: Dec 18th 2016 at 6:33:23 AM

[up][up] It's a figure of speech,Jeez.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#48547: Dec 18th 2016 at 6:43:05 AM

[up] (2) Again, blegh. To all of that. I'm still chewing on the idea that shark is endangered.

[up]I don't typically hear "x is a god" used as a figure of speech. Especially not in a series where new gods are being revealed in almost every story arc. So I took it rather literally. Hit being some sort of demigod wasn't impossible.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#48548: Dec 18th 2016 at 6:46:04 AM

"Shark" is a generic term for over 400 species. Also, chock-full of mercury, and requires special treatment to be eaten because they, in layman's terms, have urine as blood plasma to avoid getting salt-dried in the ocean. And allow me to question your taste for disliking fish, but at the same time congratulate your unwitting effort into preserving threatened species.

And, basically, the manga has the finer aspects of worldbuilding and character consistency, while the anime has the more spectacular fights and the better slice of life episodes? Can run with that!

edited 18th Dec '16 6:47:18 AM by Eriorguez

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#48549: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:30:49 AM

So, talking about endangered species listers...

Would Cell have accepted his loss if it had been Goku that beat him?

Well, not accept-accept, but something closer to him not going the whole "Fuck you I'm taking you all with me when I die!" route when he gets beaten. So he still fights on to the death, but keeps the fight strictly between him and Goku because I don't think Cell gives a shit about anyone else.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48550: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:21:53 AM

...Probably not.

He's got plenty of Frieza in him. He decided to destroy the world if no one could beat him solely because he could.

I wouldn't trust that he'd just take his loss gracefully.

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