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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48501: Dec 17th 2016 at 6:56:55 PM

[up]

It could also be because he's a dick.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#48502: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:00:29 PM

Ok, some observations I have:

While its not canon, Towa has to be one of the worst villains in Dragon Ball history, by playing with the timelines and altering the villains. Remember, some of these villains are monsters that broke free of Babidi control. And Mira betrayed her because he wanted more power. Is a miracle her magic worked on Buu and Janemba! Of course, videogame villain, I don't have to think much about it outside of seeing the filler villains doing something again. At least she is easy on the eyes.

Also, man, today episode is weird. Is feels completely different from your typical Dragon Ball episode. We got Suspense, mystery, and a cyberpunk tone during Hit segments. Also, Frost is on the loose. Glad to see his empire fell. Of course, I know who Hit client is because I was spoiled, but credits to Toei. The animation is kinda wonky, but is fine by me, the blue ray will fix it.

And Super Saiyan Black is, well, not interesting. Toei skipping it was a good choise because we were surprised by the unique Rosé form. The normal SS is redundant storywise.

edited 17th Dec '16 7:03:46 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48503: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:07:44 PM

The normal Super Saiyan IS redundant but that didn't stop anyone from bringing it back for Goku and Vegeta. And then doing the same with 2 and 3.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#48504: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:08:43 PM

I mean, I like the original forms, so I'm fine with Toriyama bringing them back at all.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48505: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:10:23 PM

I'd be happier just knowing what the fuck is going on with them any more

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#48506: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:11:45 PM

One is normal ki, the other is god ki; simple.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48507: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:19:22 PM

There are infinitely more questions surrounding the situation than that. How did Goku power up so much if he's not always using God ki? Where does his BOG arc self (pre and post God) compare to his Universe 6 or Black arc selves around base and Super Saiyan? Have they always retained the ability to turn Super Saiyan 1 - 3 during BOG, ROF and Universe 6 despite it appearing not to be the case? Etc etc

Each arc seems completely different in how they treat his transformations

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#48508: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:20:46 PM

Just has the side effect of turning your hair blue.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#48509: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:22:55 PM

I mean, he could have both god ki from training with Whis, and the godly essence from SSG powering him up even further.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48510: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:23:21 PM

He could have, but we don't know jack shit

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#48511: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:25:58 PM

We don't even know how Vegeta got god ki; at this point it's just better to quietly accept all of this. You'll lose less of your sanity trying to make sense out of all of it.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48512: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:30:46 PM

It doesn't speak very well of Super's quality that something as important as that goes "just don't think about it".

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#48513: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:33:32 PM

I lost my sanity the moment Trunks created a Spirit Bomb sword.

I didn't even question it really, I was just numbly accepting everything that was thrown at me.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48514: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:41:16 PM

So Hit's got a few extra tricks up his sleeve it seems.

We knew he wasn't using his full power at the tournament, but it looks like he had more then just Time-Skip in his arsenal. In fact, it looks like he might have even improved his time skip judging by how long he was talking to that dude before.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#48516: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:44:52 PM

Of course Hit was holding back in the Tournament. He's an assassin, not a fighter. And the "no killing" rule meant he had to refrain from using his best techniques.

I'm not the least bit shocked by his performance in today's episode. Well except for that intangibility thing. No idea what's up with that.

edited 17th Dec '16 7:46:18 PM by DarkHunter

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#48517: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:51:09 PM

I did like that That Hit tried to offer Goku a way out. Goku didn't accept, but i'm guessing this not something Hit does for most of his targets.

Also, it seems like Frost is now a fugitive according to a news report. It seems Cabba revealed his secret to the universe.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#48518: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:55:40 PM

Oh, so do you guys think the next filler arc will be about Frost as a fugitive?

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48519: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:55:41 PM

It doesn't speak very well of Super's quality that something as important as that goes "just don't think about it".

Yeah, that's the thing that is bugging me. And it seems to become more of an issue as more elements are introduced by Super without a lot of elaboration.

The original series had this as well, but not usually for something so major.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#48520: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:57:28 PM

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More than likely, it would be Frost wanting revenge on Cabba.

[up] It's very likely that just being part of the ritual gives all involved the potential to reach God Ki.

edited 17th Dec '16 7:59:07 PM by Cortez

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48521: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:01:05 PM

There is literally nothing to back that belief up.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48522: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:01:15 PM

It's as likely as anything else, because it's never explained.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48523: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:02:56 PM

Exactly. The fact that fans are all coming up with individual, completely different and contradictory explanations that could fit just shows how little we actually know.

There's no point trying to understand when there could be literally any reason. It just happens.

edited 17th Dec '16 8:03:24 PM by Saiga

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#48524: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:03:37 PM

I wonder what Hit's usual rate is.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#48525: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:09:13 PM

[up]4

Yes there is actually, at least in Super.


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