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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#48476: Dec 17th 2016 at 6:36:31 AM

You're a monster.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#48477: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:28:48 AM

I love that song, so I always click when there is a chance for it.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#48478: Dec 17th 2016 at 7:54:24 AM

(also, why would you skip the first third of any episode of any show? Is your time really so valuable that you can't waste 7 minutes of it on set-up?

I happen to have a hypothetical degree in theoretical physics thank you very much.The f'ck have you all done lately? I knew it was a filler episode and I was multi-tasking so I cued up the episode and came back in around the point where Goku went Blue to stop Champa's pitch. And then Vados/Whis disqualified the use of "powers" or something.

edited 17th Dec '16 8:06:30 AM by Soble

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48479: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:38:03 AM

Use the Super Dragon Balls to wish yourself as powerful or even greater than Zeno. There.

Because that's such an easy and simple thing to do, right?

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#48480: Dec 17th 2016 at 8:58:27 AM

No, but I was pointing out a way to beat Zeno.

Never said it'd be easy....or feasible. But there's a way.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#48481: Dec 17th 2016 at 9:16:08 AM

We don't know if that can actually be done tho. For all we know, Zenou works like that one Yu Gi Oh card that always has Attack equal to the strongest monster of the field +100, so wishing to be stronger than him would make you stronger than Zenou was then but then his monster effect pulls him above you because the wish was a one time thing but his effect is continuous.

Also Yu Gi Oh metagame is bullshit.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#48482: Dec 17th 2016 at 9:18:08 AM

Wouldn't that scenario mean that both Zeno now have infinite power?

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#48483: Dec 17th 2016 at 9:35:44 AM

Either Zeno has infinite power...or the Super Dragon Balls cannot literally grant "any" wish. And if you can't grant any wish you want with them, then that distinction should not have been made.

You could try to use the Super Dragon Balls to negate any potential "pulling ahead" ability of Zeno's...but again, if that doesn't work, these balls can't actually grant you any wish.

edited 17th Dec '16 9:40:18 AM by hardcorefakes

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#48484: Dec 17th 2016 at 9:43:36 AM

Maybe Zeno's power exceeds Zarama's.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#48485: Dec 17th 2016 at 9:47:39 AM

That could be a possibility, but then you have to wonder what are it's limits then. Any wish pertaining to Zeno would be negated/denied? Just wondering what would be considered acceptable.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#48486: Dec 17th 2016 at 10:31:15 AM

Maybe the Dragon would just go "Fuk u no gtfo" and that would be that.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#48487: Dec 17th 2016 at 10:34:24 AM

Zeno is a stupidly powerful but I don't know if our heroes can take him on at this point in Super. They can barely take on Beerus and fusion is out of the question what with the whole ten minute rule.

"Mai waifu."
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#48488: Dec 17th 2016 at 10:39:54 AM

Filthy Wish Dragons seem to be much more powerful than their creators,feat wise.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#48489: Dec 17th 2016 at 10:41:48 AM

Not more powerful - more versatile.

We know for a fact that Shenron is only as strong as his creator is, so he couldn't be stronger than Kami, and he can't be stronger than Dende.

However, the dragons possess abilities that the creators do not. Presumably, they're 'stronger' beings who basically have something like a limiter put on them that makes them only as strong as their creator no matter what.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#48490: Dec 17th 2016 at 10:56:51 AM

Yeah, otherwise they'd have asked Kami to grant their wishes right? ;p

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48491: Dec 17th 2016 at 12:19:04 PM

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So it's like they have the same level of power as their creator, but can apply that power in ways said creator can't (bringing back the dead, answering questions said creator can't, etc)?

Sounds about right to me.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48492: Dec 17th 2016 at 1:08:54 PM

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/810186407813619712

According to this translation of Toriyama's notes, Goku Black was suppose to have both Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Rose. Toei just skipped the regular form for Rose, so it looks like the manga will have Rose as well.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#48493: Dec 17th 2016 at 1:15:38 PM

New cinematic trailer for Super Dragon Ball Heroes (Off-Camera):

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#48494: Dec 17th 2016 at 1:16:12 PM

I think Toei made the right call there. Regular Super Saiyan was unnecessary.

This song needs more love.
Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#48495: Dec 17th 2016 at 1:16:33 PM

[up][up][up]Makes me wonder why the Manga had Black get beaten down if had another form.

edited 17th Dec '16 1:19:02 PM by Envyus

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48496: Dec 17th 2016 at 1:18:07 PM

We're aren't gonna know until next month's chapter. Unless the leaks didn't cover the full chapter doe this month, which I doubt.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#48497: Dec 17th 2016 at 1:26:38 PM

Having Rosé as a way of making Black even with Blue Goku and Vegeta is better than the constant pulls they did in terms of power and formes, but we can't compare until the arc is over.

Lets see how they tackle Merged Zamasu.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48498: Dec 17th 2016 at 2:28:52 PM

Given that Goku and Vegeta both used Super Saiyan in the Universe 6 arc, I am not surprised Goku Black is able to use Super Saiyan. I would prefer if the forms had just been reduced to base and Super Saiyan [Whatever] like what Resurrection F had us believe, but whatever.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#48499: Dec 17th 2016 at 6:13:25 PM

So it was probably Whis who hired Hit.

This song needs more love.
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#48500: Dec 17th 2016 at 6:27:56 PM

If that's true, then it was probably to motivate/prepare him to face powerful foes for the upcoming arc. That's the only way it makes sense to me.


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