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lgcruz Since: Feb, 2013
#4701: Feb 4th 2014 at 5:49:39 PM

[up][up][up][up]Can't speak for myself, but it's hardly unheard off. Even Romeo and Juliet starts more or less like that.

I would like to point out that even in the buu arc, Gohan was hardly willing to fight in the tournament, until goku mentioned he was going to show up... Clearly there is something else here at work. Hell he still was pretty much going for taking out the threat with as little fighting as possible, unlike anyone else with saiyan blood.

I don't also get the part of not building up to the hype. Didn't the androids like trash every z fighter at the same time before? It's a pretty big difference. Which also reminds me - Are you really sure sending your son alone while rejuvenating your enemy back to full strength, just to make sure he has to surpass himself is a good idea? As opposed to, you know, all against one?

[up][up][up]Gohan would do anything his father told him to, Vegeta wants a fight and so does piccolo considering how he handled 20, and Tenshiham was even a hermit dedicated to improving his techniques, why would he want to prevent it? I'm more surprised Trunks didn't want to personally search for Dr.Gero's lab though and destroy it right then and there, rather than waiting until the androids showed up.

Snapping IS pretty much going out of control. Hell he even describes it as such when he blames himself for not finishing off Cell, and think about it; if he's stronger than anyone else (as goku just happily told him), who exactly is supposed to stop him? This isn't that difficult to get. My mistake about the piccolo interference in the final blow though.

And actually that does make some sense, except the Buu arc would start when super buu appears. Before that you could call it the majin arc or something.

A little late, but I honestly think Piccolo's worst showing was the Buu arc. A straight man in a comedy doesn't work if he can't do a thing.

edited 4th Feb '14 5:56:17 PM by lgcruz

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#4702: Feb 4th 2014 at 6:03:13 PM

Saiyan and Freeza arcs are two different arcs, with a clear conclusion and beginning separating them. For the Android and "Cell" arcs, this isn't the case, the Android stuff doesn't get a proper resolution before Cell shows up, and then arc concludes with Trunks defeating the Androids and Cell in his timeline. Plus Cell is a creation of Dr Gero, and I think even classified as an Android by the series itself.

[up][up] Nah, I don't buy it. Piccolo had no problem with Gohan fighting in the Namek arc, and he was already a softie then. Nor did he gave any problem with him coming to fight the Androids, or asking Gohan to help him against Android 20.

[up][up][up] That's a bad place to look for Trunks taking it seriously. Better place is his actual reaction to Vegeta's death - when Goku tells him, he starts crying and won't accept it. Yes, he takes it seriously. His behaviour later is just at odds with this, but it's not specifically in relation to Vegeta's death.

Goku was pretty cavalier when he took out Recoome. Even more so than he is here, even. And I don't think that's enough to make something a parody - it's amusing, but the main point is just that the heroes have become stronger.

I'm talking about the failure against Pure Boo. Pure drama there. For Gotenks, it was more him knowing he had a time limit and failing because he wasn't serious enough. And there is still drama present there, with Goten and Trunks thinking they're going to be killed because of it.

But the key thing is that Piccolo is horrified at what he caused, and Boo's nonchalance highlights Piccolo's error and how creepy Boo himself is.

Gotenks and Piccolo are freaked out that Boo ate everyone, and Goku is shocked when Boo takes out Ten. Though it's funny, nothing really indicates it's being played for laughs.

Piccolo Daimao wasn't a moron, he was very pragmatic. Other villains had shades of this, such as Vegeta and Imperfect Cell.


[up] Obviously his father has him more interested in it, but prior to that point all he's got to look forward to is a classmate that he just doesn't get and Vegeta who treats him like shit. But once others get involved, he elects to train and spars with Gohan. If he had no interest in the fights he wouldn't need to do that. Then in the Babidi's ship sequence he's happy to fight, even wanting to take Dabra alone.

Piccolo's fusion with God was set up an arc in advance, and hyped to hell at back. And all he can do is make the weakest form of Cell retreat and then stalemate against 17. Sure, it's an improvement from being trashed by 17 before, but hardly fitting the hype that went into it. And then he's tossed aside. It's just kind of a waste.

Sending Gohan alone was a bad idea, but so was sending Goku alone. Nobody opted to help against Cell, and a decent reason isn't given which is another weak point about that portion of the Arc. Giving Cell a Sensu was a bad, misguided idea, Goku tried to show his confidence in Gohan with it. And yet, even with that, there was no reason to think that Gohan would lose, as he was known to be stronger than the power Cell displayed at that point, and there was no reason to think he'd back out.

And no, snapping isn't going out of control. He attacks the bad guy, that's it. There's never any indication that he's actually a danger to anybody else, so it's not like he needs to worry about anyone not being strong enough to stop him - and stop him from doing what? Not killing Cell? That's exactly what he's doing by refusing to fight anyway! He poses no danger to anyone but Cell, and there is never any indication that he'd turn on anyone else.

The Boo arc is a hard one, because it takes a while for Boo to show up. But even then, nothing before that point really concludes or has its own arc, which is why the whole thing is collectively called the Boo arc.

I think the Boo arc is his best arc, actually. There's no need for him to be able to fight to be the straight man to Gotenks, why would you think that? They're a comedy duo, not a combat one. The role he has in the Boo arc is better than being built up only to be irrelevant. This way he manages to be prominent and a source of comedy.

edited 4th Feb '14 6:16:25 PM by Saiga

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#4703: Feb 4th 2014 at 6:26:19 PM

[up][up][up] They were told that the androids were stronger than the Super Saiyan who just dispatched Freeza and Cold effortlessly, who they sensed. They have a good idea of how strong the androids are, so they shouldn't have underestimated the threat.

If Piccolo cared that much, then why did he tell Gohan to help him with Gero, or personally train him to fight the androids?

Uh, he did care about his power. He specifically asked to train so he could be useful.

Emulating Goku? When has Goku ever refused to fight and just lied down while his friends were being beaten to death? You can't stop Goku from fighting even if you break both his legs and beat the shit out of him. He'll still use his last bit of power to either kill you or destroy your eye out of spite. Gohan didn't lose himself, he just became a dick. He was worried about losing control and hurting someone he didn't want to hurt, which makes no sense since it's never happened before.

Buutenks has a cool design. I like Buuhan better due to his facial features and shirt, though. I think Gohan's shirt looks better on him than Gotenks' jacket.

[up][up] Romeo and Juliet was a parody/tragedy depicting how lust can you get killed.

What? Vegeta wanted to end the threat immediately. Goku was the only one who wanted to drag it out. Gohan became a crime fighter and trained Goten before he even knew about the tournament.

Piccolo was hyped up as a savior and accomplished literally nothing. I don't see how that's not failing to meet the build up. If anything, he helped Cell.

Tenshinhan was being a moron for reasons I outlined in my last post, Gohan had no problem defying a parent to do what he thought was right before.

He didn't really 'snap', he just acted arrogant. That's not what he was worried about. And even if he was worried about that, it was stupid because it never happened before, and becoming arrogant is a far preferable alternative to watching your friends and family get beaten to death before your very eyes. And what's better for him: him being the strongest, or Cell?

It's officially called the Babidi arc. Super Buu to Vegetto is the Fusion arc, and everything after that is the Pure Buu arc. But they all lead into each other, with none of them having a clear end until Pure Buu's death

Really? I think that's his second best showing. He actually gets some good lines and character, and isn't humiliated by being built up and knocked down, like a certain other irrelevant character who couldn't come to terms with their irrelevancy.

[up] Well that's part of what makes it so funny- he acts like it's a big deal, but is all jokey five minutes later as Gotenks. And after such a supposedly big and dramatic moment, that turned out to be humiliating, pathetic, and pointless. Goten acts similarly when Chi Chi is shrunken and crushed by Super Buu. "It killed my mom... oh well, SUPER BUU VOLLEY BALL ATTACK LOL".

Yeah, but Recoome wasn't as big of a deal as Cell was. Recoome was a henchman, Cell was a Big Bad, Physical God, and supposedly the Perfect Being. And Goku just kind of laughs that power off. Freeza is also treated as a joke here, similar to the way he's treated in the 2008 JSAT special.

I was talking about the form in general. Gotenks' failure is a clearly comedic scene, as is him looking in a mirror and talking about how dumb the form looks, because of the hair and lack of eyebrows.

Yeah, but I think this is the first time where someone actually pointed out how cheap death is in the series. Well, that and Goku telling Gohan not to worry about the damage to Earth, but that was a life or death moment while this was Piccolo stalling for time.

They're momentarily shocked, but they're then never mentioned again, and Gotenks just jokes around with the guy who killed his parents. Goku doesn't pay Ten much mind, and Chiaotzu doesn't even get a mention when he dies. I don't think it really has to be played for laughs to be a parody.

Yeah, that's why I said "mostly morons in Z". Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Freeza's henchmen, Freeza, Cold, the androids, Perfect Cell, and Babidi were all pretty dumb. Imperfect Cell and to a lesser extent Semi-Perfect Cell were crafty, hence the "mostly". Even in Dragon Ball, most of the villains were dumb. King Piccolo, Imperfect Cell, and Super Buu are the exceptions, not the rule. Which is why I think Buutenks' line is a reference to Cell.

edited 4th Feb '14 6:32:45 PM by sockpuppet1

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#4704: Feb 4th 2014 at 6:45:15 PM

I find it ironic that (pre-absorptions) Super Buu is one of the most pragmatic and clever villains in the series. I know he's a lot smarter than his dull speech patterns and impulsive gluttony would suggest, but it still comes across as funny.

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#4705: Feb 4th 2014 at 6:45:27 PM

so they shouldn't have underestimated the threat.

They clearly did though. Telling someone something isn't the same as making someone experience something. And regardless, in their minds they had a Super Saiyan on their side that was so far above any power they'd ever sense that there's no reason to doubt that said Super Saiyan after some training would be able to beat any threat.

Emulating Goku? When has Goku ever refused to fight and just lied down while his friends were being beaten to death?

Emulating Goku in the whole "give my opponent a chance to change" thing. Gohan clearly seemed to be unable to accept just how evil and cold-hearted Cell was until he crushed 16's head right before him.

Uh, he did care about his power. He specifically asked to train so he could be useful.

You misinterpreted what I said. "He never cared about how he used his power," was how you were supposed to read it. Why would he care back then when there were characters stronger than him that could conceivably stop him? Alternatively, he was seven. A seven year old has no concept of restraint, but someone on the cusp of puberty has all these crazy hormones, y'know?

If Piccolo cared that much, then why did he tell Gohan to help him with Gero, or personally train him to fight the androids?

There's a difference between training Gohan to fight with him and letting Gohan fight someone stronger than all of them. See, when he called Gohan to help him with Gero, he was still there and could fight the old man. Against Cell they were all helpless spectators. One scenario clearly puts Gohan in more danger than the other.

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#4706: Feb 4th 2014 at 6:49:22 PM

[up][up][up] That's mood whiplash, and really has nothing to do with the deaths, it's just inconsistent writing.

At the time Recoome was a big deal. We knew Freeza and Ginyu were better, so he wasn't quite the same deal as Cell, but there isn't a gargantuan difference at the time these things happened.

Sure, but the joke is mostly about Gotenks himself as a character. And I think the Boo arc's gags are just gags, not parody.

Piccolo stalling for time was a life or death moment in itself. They'd die if he didn't buy Goten and Trunks enough time. Saying the Dragon Balls can bring everyone back is just a fact, and it's a logical conclusion to come to without stepping into parody territory.

Just because they're not brought up doesn't make it a parody. The story just doesn't focus them after they're killed because other shit is going on.

And I don't see how that makes Boo's behaviour a parody. It was my bad to act like pragmatism is more common that it is, but it's simply another villain trait.

[up] Didn't have a problem with Gohan fighting Freeza when Freeza was stronger than everyone.

edited 4th Feb '14 6:49:50 PM by Saiga

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#4707: Feb 4th 2014 at 6:53:17 PM

[up][up][up] His personality doesn't change much after the absorptions, it's mostly just his speech patterns, so it's more like Super Buu in general is one of the most clever villains. But it does seem like Toriyama was trying to make him look stupid when he was fighting Vegetto.

Off-topic, but speaking of Super Buu, I love this shot, for many reasons.

[up][up] Ten didn't even sense Goku there if his dialogue in the android arc is any indication. And he had absolutely ZERO reason to think he himself could do anything against them, yet he still wanted to fight them.

He knew how evil Cell was. He was told he'd killed a bunch of people and was watching as Cell had his friends killed. Not to mention Goku would off people with much less provocation than this... and so did Gohan, for that matter.

Puberty? He was ten.

He had no problem letting Gohan fight Nappa and Freeza, who were stronger than everyone else.

[up] It looks like we're just going in circles. Agree to disagree. To be clear, I don't think it was necessarily played for laughs, but that Toriyama was just having the characters and situations lampshade the series trends, with stuff like Buu's attitude towards letting his opponents get stronger, Vegeta's pointless and humiliating sacrifice, the humans being even more useless than they were in the last arc, and Gotenks in general.

Oh, and I missed that one clever moment Raditz had when he duped his brother. But I think that's it, and he's mostly dumb otherwise.

edited 4th Feb '14 6:59:14 PM by sockpuppet1

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#4708: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:00:56 PM

Didn't have a problem with Gohan fighting Freeza when Freeza was stronger than everyone.

IIRC, that was Frieza's third form, which had just overpowered him. He then immediately saw Gohan going to town on him, as opposed to with Cell where he had no idea how well Gohan would perform against him?

If it's not readily apparent, I'm desperately trying to rationalize this.

He had no problem letting Gohan fight Nappa

Nappa was a helluva lot before Cell. Like years. That's a tonne of a time for character development.

Puberty? He was ten.

Ignore that. The point was he was older and wiser. One could say he was old enough to figure that "Hey, maybe with great power comes great responsibility, yeah?"

And he had absolutely ZERO reason to think he himself could do anything against them, yet he still wanted to fight them.

It doesn't matter if they could do anything. As far as they know, they had a Super Saiyan on their side. It's entirely because they were overconfident that Gero was allowed to make those Androids.

edited 4th Feb '14 7:05:40 PM by Cruherrx

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#4709: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:03:52 PM

Gohan couldn't do crap to third form Freeza; he launched a big blast which Freeza deflected back at him. Piccolo had to save him. Also, he basically forced him to fight Nappa.

He had no problem bringing Gohan to fight the androids. I don't see the big difference here; either way, Gohan could easily die. If anything, there's less of a risk with fighting Cell, because Cell can't just kill him in one hit like 20 and 19 could.

I don't know how he wasn't being responsible. Well, I do, but I don't see why doing the opposite of what he was doing wouldn't be responsible. If you have great power, shouldn't you use it for good, rather than letting innocents die just because you don't want to fight?

Ten and Piccolo both wanted to fight the androids, even though they were absolutely poop to any Super Saiyan (and remained so, in Ten's case). So did Goku, even though Trunks said the androids were stronger than him, and there were more than one of them.

edited 4th Feb '14 7:08:59 PM by sockpuppet1

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#4710: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:06:51 PM

[up]To be clear, third form Frieza is the Alien knockoff, right? Because if so, there was a bit where he saved Piccolo and got some hits in.

Second, Piccolo wasn't as soft in the Saiyan Arc as he was in the Cell and Buu Arcs. Y'know, since it really was the start of his character development.

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#4711: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:07:01 PM

[up][up][up][up]Absorbing Piccolo definitely fixes his Hulk Speak, though I'd imagine it was more for the psychological advantage of having absorbed the memories of people dear to Gohan than just to be a Genius Bruiser. Though even before absorbing Piccolo some of his lines sound eerily deliberate, unless that's just a dub thing.

And yeah, that shot is pretty nice. Especially since it highlights just how freakin' tall Super Buu is, even if he's a few seconds away from having his ABC-bubblegum ass handed to him on a platter.

edited 4th Feb '14 7:09:26 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#4712: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:12:29 PM

Anime/dub thing. It's not even implied in the manga he did get the memories of his absorbees if I remember correctly.

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#4713: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:12:57 PM

[up] He does remember everything Fat Buu and the Kaioshin remember, and those are absorptions. He also remembers how to use the Kamikaze Ghosts even without Gotenks absorbed, though that could have been technique copying in action.

[up][up] Well, aside from it emphasizing his height (seriously, the guy is over eight feet tall, he's a freaking monster) I also like it because of both Gohan's smirk and Buu's- not only do they look badass, but each knows something the other doesn't. Gohan knows he's stronger than Buu. Buu knows that he has a back-up plan in case that is the case. Oh, and Gohan not even bothering to look up at Buu, despite not even coming up to his chest.

He said he absorbed Piccolo for his "brains". Since he didn't know Piccolo, and all he saw him do was play a couple tricks and tell Gotenks to stop screwing around, he likely absorbed him for his maturity and calming influence to balance out Gotenks'... Gotenks-ness.

I'm actually not sure if Buu's psychological torture of Gohan is dub only, since that only shows up in filler, and I haven't seen the anime version of the Buu arc in years. It'd be a shame of it was, though, because Buu is deliciously evil there.

"That hurt, didn't it? Facing your fears would have been far less painful."note 

"He doesn't [look up to you]. In fact, he wonders why you let me take him."note 

"How pathetic, Gohan. And after all that training in the cliffs."note 

"Heh. Without your father holding your hand, you really are nothing."note 

[up][up][up] He was willing to die for Gohan in the Saiyan arc. He was still a softie.

Gohan wasn't able to damage Freeza with those hits, he just took Freeza off guard, and Piccolo had to save him. Piccolo praised him for getting involved and going berserk, which is the opposite of the way he acts in the Cell Games.

Yeah, third form Freeza is Ridley Scott Freeza. Though, I use a somewhat different naming scheme than everyone else, calling fourth form Freeza "base Freeza" and 100% Freeza "buff Freeza".

edited 4th Feb '14 7:20:08 PM by sockpuppet1

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#4714: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:15:51 PM

It depends on the translation of the manga, but I think he says Piccolo's "mind", "sobriety" and other such terms in the most literal translation - and he does talk about Piccolo's seriousness offsetting any negative traits he'd gain from Gotenks (which, funnily, sort of references their comedy duo).

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#4715: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:21:55 PM

Indeed.

One thing I like about the anime is that after Buuhan absorbs Vegito and assumes he's won, part of his victory celebration (Presumably inherited from Gotenks) is to flip the bird at nobody in particular. It's just funny seeing a 5-million-year-old creature do that.

[up][up]Actually, I was referring to a few choice words/actions even before absorbing Piccolo. Such as going into detail regarding what he did to Chi-Chi/Videl/Krillin/everyone else when Gohan asks, or looking Piccolo dead in the eyes as he renders humanity extinct. I don't know how much of that is filler, sadly. I really need to buff up on what's in the original manga and what's just anime inserts.

edited 4th Feb '14 7:26:08 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#4716: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:25:16 PM

Well Super Buu himself was just born that day.

So yes, you saw Gohan brutally beat on a newborn.

Both of those things you mentioned were in the original manga. But I like the filler/dub (I'm not sure if it's both) dialogue with him taunting Gohan as Buutenks, because he's so evil there. I'm starting to think that actually is Dub Text, which is a shame.

edited 4th Feb '14 7:26:51 PM by sockpuppet1

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#4717: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:27:31 PM

Well, yeah, but Super Buu clearly displays memories from being Fat Buu, and seems to understand what he'll revert to if Fat Buu is torn out, so I'd assume he's still the same entity from his creation, just much more intelligent than the raving lunatic he was.

Is Super Buu giving the world the middle finger in the original manga too? tongue

edited 4th Feb '14 7:28:06 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#4718: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:28:06 PM

Yep. Then he rips off his shirt.

He says that he won't be himself anymore if he's turned back into Pure Buu, so Buu himself at least considers himself a different being than the other forms, even if he remembers his time as them. It seems that there are 3 identities of Buu, each with their own sub-forms:

Evil- Super, Buuccolo 1, Buuccolo 2, Buutenks, Buuhan

Good- Fat, Mister

Pure- Kid, Buff

(for context, officially, Super Buu's real name is Evil Buu, Fat's is Innocent Buu, and Kid's is Pure Buu)

I'm not sure where Pure Evil Buu fits. He kind of counts as a sub-form of all of three of them.

edited 4th Feb '14 7:31:45 PM by sockpuppet1

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#4719: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:42:59 PM

Aren't Fat and Mr. Buu the same thing, just that the latter is weaker than the former?

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#4720: Feb 4th 2014 at 7:46:49 PM

Soooooort of. It's actually not confirmed if Mister is weaker than Fat, since they're different and all (note that Mister Buu is the one that fought Pure Buu, not what Fat Buu turned into when he expelled Pure Evil Buu). They have personality differences (Fat is prone to unstoppable rage), physical differences (Fat is MUCH bigger than Mister), and possibly power differences as well, since Fat was tanked by Super Saiyan 3 Goku while Mister was able to put up a fight against the even stronger Pure Buu. But they appear to have similar personalities, appearances, and the same memories. Then there's the fact that Mister should essentially just be the two Kaioshin merged together with Buu skin and a new personality.

edited 4th Feb '14 7:47:50 PM by sockpuppet1

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#4721: Feb 4th 2014 at 8:01:00 PM

Wait, Fat Buu was bigger than Mister Buu?

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#4722: Feb 4th 2014 at 8:02:31 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was. Very hard to tell because height isn't the most consistent thing but I do believe there's a noticeable difference between the two.

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#4723: Feb 4th 2014 at 8:05:42 PM

As Saiga noted, height is inconsistent, but Fat Buu seems way bigger than Mr. Buu at least. It's similar to the difference between Super Buu and Gohan. Fat Buu is Dabra's height, according to that height chart Toriyama drew for the anime staff, which puts him nearly at eye level with Super Buu himself. So about eight feet tall. Mr. Buu is shorter than Mr. Satan, who's only 6'2. Only a little taller than Goku. Sometimes he looks much smaller than even that (for context, Goku towers over Pure Buu by about a head, and Goku is only 5'9).

edited 4th Feb '14 8:07:36 PM by sockpuppet1

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#4724: Feb 4th 2014 at 8:17:18 PM

I love Dragonball discussion.

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#4725: Feb 4th 2014 at 8:56:59 PM

Another interesting factoid not many people know about Buu is that from the time he was born to right before he fought SS-3 Gotenks, base Super Buu was actually way stronger than Gohan. He lost a lot of power right before the fight with SS-3 Gotenks began, making him formulate that plan.


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