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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#46726: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:20:32 PM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#46727: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:23:29 PM

I linked that already.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#46728: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:25:13 PM

I often skip pages when there's a lot of discussion going on, I probably didn't see that you'd linked it. My bad.

I could link this newer one then:

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#46729: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:17:40 PM

[up] Yes.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#46730: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:35:58 PM

In general, I tend to distrust the opinions of the members of TFS since Lanipator has been on record gushing about the Naruto The Last movie, along with Kirran and Grant, there's also that time that they came to the conclusion that Goku is the worst anime father ever (either they watch very little anime or they're taking the piss) and I can already imagine them gushing over the Fanfiction that the anime tried to pass off as a resolution, but Masako seems mostly okay, and I know that Kaiser at least does some research. I mean, I don't agree with either of them on a lot of things... but if any member of TFS is going to speak about DBZ, it'd have to be either of them.

Also there's the time they did Dragon Ball GT Final Bout, were completely awful at a game they didn't even give a chance to, blamed the game for how awful they were at it and proceeded to blast it with constant complaining which was flat out wrong a great deal of the time... Also the fact that they're constantly button mashing is not up for debate, you can hear the controllers they're torturing.

edited 17th Nov '16 6:39:46 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#46731: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:39:17 PM

I liked Naruto The Last though.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#46732: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:40:13 PM

[up]It's still a bad movie though.

People can like bad things. I like Dragon Ball Sagas. It's still a bad game.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#46733: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:42:02 PM

I don't know much about Naruto, but I don't think their opinion should be discounted for liking Naruto the Last. They're wrong on Goku being a bad dad, though, that's pretty stupid to say.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#46734: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:43:33 PM

Yeah I like GT (well parts of it anyway) but I'm sure as heck not going to call it a masterpiece.

edited 17th Nov '16 6:44:00 PM by LordVatek

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#46735: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:46:05 PM

Masako has been a bit sympathetic to GT. He doesn't like it, granted, but he's not frothing with bile over it. Hell, he made one video about how he thinks GT could've been improved.

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#46736: Nov 17th 2016 at 7:19:49 PM

either they watch very little anime or they're taking the piss

Or maybe they genuinely like those things.

Those things are trash, and their opinions are full of holes and flimsy logic, but it's their opinions.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#46737: Nov 17th 2016 at 8:27:01 PM

*Deleted, probably best left unsaid*

edited 17th Nov '16 8:28:07 PM by DarkHunter

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#46738: Nov 17th 2016 at 8:47:51 PM

For the record kirran thought the ep was awful with some good moments and Lani thought the opposite. Idk about anyone else in TFS.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#46739: Nov 17th 2016 at 8:52:27 PM

That sounds like an accurate description.

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#46740: Nov 17th 2016 at 9:12:42 PM

Why do their opinions matter to you guys anyway? They're just fans, like everyone else.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#46741: Nov 17th 2016 at 9:17:30 PM

They don't? Someone brought it up so I responded.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46742: Nov 17th 2016 at 9:36:07 PM

I mean, it's always interesting to find out other people's opinions, let alone when you're a fan of their work. But that doesn't mean I think what they says caries anymore weight than anyone else and that other people do will never not annoy me.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#46743: Nov 17th 2016 at 9:59:00 PM

All opinions matter, how else will you know what people think?

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#46744: Nov 18th 2016 at 1:32:34 AM

Improve GT? Instead of the Goku show, make Trunks, Goten, The Fat Majin Buu, Pan and Uub closer to his power level, either by bringing them up or actually having his child state weakening him, somewhat.

Give the weaker characters things to do in between the stronger ones beating the main antagonists.

Take into account the difference between super saiyan 1 and 2, don't just jump to three.

Have a kaiju scenes where Goku goes super saiyan in his werewolf monkey form after learning to control it, then super saiyan 2 after he learns to control that, then three, with him shrinking back to a human sized form for four. I'm willing to accept Blooma discovering blutz waves in the context of using them to power up Bebi/Vegeta, but not beyond that.

No fusion of 17s unless there is also a fusion of 18s.

Pan gets super saiyan, and probably should go up to four. Failing that, Pan inherits Gohan's kaioshin power up.

The shadow dragons behave in ways and or have designs more in line with the wishes that spawned them.

The series doesn't end with Goku whisking away the dragon balls for abuse. The cast gets indignant that undoing the murders of sinner escaped from hell, by no fault of their won, constitutes as "misuse" of the Dragon Balls and confront the gods about it. Fights ensue with villains who are subverting the afterlife and karma in ways to make "Super 17" and "shadow dragons" possible(this, of course, assumes there is also a "Super 18", otherwise the hell breakout results in different antagonists altogether)

Less padding.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#46745: Nov 18th 2016 at 2:13:23 AM

Or maybe they genuinely like those things.

Those things are trash, and their opinions are full of holes and flimsy logic, but it's their opinions.

This response is nonsensical if you're responding to the bit you quoted, because that, quite clearly, refers to them saying that Goku is the worst anime dad ever.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#46746: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:03:35 AM

[up][up]

Masako X came up with an idea that I'd thought of previously: since the Black Star Dragon Balls can wish for someone to die, have some villain wish Goku were dead.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#46747: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:33:44 AM

That shouldn't work though. The dragon balls have never been able to affect someone stronger then the creator, and Goku is a lot stronger then the Nameless Namek / Piccolo into GT.

Maybe there was a time when they would have worked, but not at that point.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#46748: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:34:40 AM

That's the regular Dragon Balls though, I'm talking about the Black Star Dragon Balls.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#46749: Nov 18th 2016 at 10:15:07 AM

Well, do we know that they can do that?

I mean, even the Namekian Dragon, who was stronger then Shen Long needed permission from Goku to teleport him to Earth.

Come to think of it, since the Black star balls were able to change Goku, that would mean they don't have the can't be stronger then the creator limit, but as far as we know, only the Super Dragonballs shouldn't have that caveat.

So that's a plot hole in GT right from the get go isn't it?

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#46750: Nov 18th 2016 at 10:21:17 AM

Ah, but what if the Black Star Dragon balls were, in a revised version of GT, made by somebody else? We've discussed before that it would've made more sense that the they should've been made by someone else, somebody who isn't Kami.

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