I mean, there is a way to keep a supporting cast and do it well. Most of the stuff with Bulma and Mai had pretty interesting ways of making them important without them suddenly getting powerups. Although a lot of people called bullshit on the idea that smoke bombs would actually work against Zamasu in Episode 57.
They just need to think things very slowly and carefully next time.
I'd also be scared of how they'd handle a Gohan comeback, but what Toriyama did in the Buu Saga was basically almost as bad as how Toei handled Trunks. You know, just getting random power-ups out of nowhere and then turning into generic hero.
edited 16th Nov '16 7:29:20 PM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!That one power-up wasn't random, it was a gift of patience...sitting on your butt for hours on end really hurts the tail bone.
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The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!On Goku being a mutant, can't remember who to quote, but that's still iffy at best. How do we know Goku and Vegeta are the only pure blooded saiyans to get such gains when they're the only pure blooded saiyans we see getting any gains whatsoever? Nappa was Goku's equal, Nappa knew it, Goku knew it, Vegeta knew it. Goku pushed passed him with the fist of the worlds but supposed Nappa knew fists of the worlds? Then Nappa would have been able to beat Vegeta.
Granted, that would bring the question of exactly how would he get it, he's not exactly the type that would keep his body in the afterlife, but he's also not the type to voluntarily give up his tail and likely knows how to control his transformation anyway given he's an "elite".
Main point being, Goku's not that special. He's not the first super saiyan, not the first super saiyan god. The first in a long while, sure, but pretty much everything he's done has been done before and is usually replicated after, not long after either. Freeza specifically said saiyans had infinite potential, he didn't find Vegeta's gain on Namek surprising at all and suspected their might be an even stronger saiyan somewhere out there, if the two lower power levels on Earth hadn't surpassed Vegeta already.
So if Freeza, the one who killed off the saiyans out of paranoia, doesn't find such gains to be especially noteworthy, it's safe to assume Goku's gains aren't that noteworthy among saiyans. What makes him an anomaly, indirectly according to Vegeta, are his many sensei. And remember Caba is a full blooded saiyan too. If anyone's a mutant, it's probably him, until information is released that says otherwise(it could just be Vados training at work, since unlike Beerus/Whis she actually put effort into building a team)
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No he wasn't. He wasn't anywhere close. Nappa had a battle power of 4,000 while Goku had a battle power of over 8,000.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Incidentally, I'm finding some parts of Dragon Ball's hatedom to be absolutely hilarious, like every time they start shouting about how "Goku is the worst father ever!" and someone points out "yeah, he is, but that's the norm in shonen action and here's a list of other fathers that are also horrible" and it happens to include the father of their favorite series...
Well, I've seen people falling all over themselves to defend Namikaze Minato, Isshin Kurosaki and similar others, while condemning Goku.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariOne thing that really bugs me is when people give Goku shit for not using Kaiou to talk to his family during the time skip between the Cell Saga and the Boo Saga. Like, yeah, he could but he was dead. He didn't want his family to be relying on him for anything anymore because, as he saw it, he wasn't going to see them again until they died (assuming they decided to keep their bodies). It's not like Goku was on an over seas business trip or something. Then he spends nearly the entire Boo Saga trying to make it so that people don't have to rely on him anymore since he doesn't want people to rely on someone who's dead and everyone in the fandom gives him shit for it.
Honestly, this reasoning is probably why Goku didn't use his one day on Earth in the Future Trunks timeline to curbstomp the Androids after sufficient training.
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You know you actually had me look at the events of the series in a different light. I guess the whole 'Goku saves the day all the time' is simply a meme and nothing more.
"Mai waifu."No, it's pretty obvious most pure-blood saiyans are garbage, even without Toriyama statements. King Vegeta's battle power was 10,000, and he was the most powerful Saiyan. That's not even half as strong as Dodoria. Thousands of saiyans all fighting, getting zenkais and living on a planet with 10Gs, but none could get over 10,000.
That points to Goku and Vegeta being super special.
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."You presuming they actually get injured enough to have Zenkais. Saiyans aren't a warrior race, they are a race of bullies that prefer beating up opponents than enjoying the battle. Plus, not all aliens are powerful enough to be a threat, say the Namekian villagers. It's more likely they use that artificial moon technique to turn into their monkey forms and stomp on weaker aliens.
They're definitely a warrior race that trains. No Saiyan would be born with power levels in the thousands. They'd have to train.
And if you take Dragonball Minus into account, we see a young Raditz and Vegeta on another planet, meaning even kids are out there fighting.
Even if we assume Raditz was born with a power level of 1500 and kept that all his life by never getting a zenkai, he still lived on Planet Vegeta, which is 10Gs for a chunk of his life. Goku spent a few months in 10Gs and was almost as strong as King Vegeta by the end.
edited 17th Nov '16 4:20:10 AM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."Training effectively. Not killing Saibaman as target practice. Vegeta never had gravity training until Bulma provided him with a gravity machine. Plus, Goku had the Kaioken, and gained multiple zenkais from shooting himself with the Kamehameha and a supply of Senzu.
edited 17th Nov '16 4:22:49 AM by Ikedatakeshi
None of that has anything to do with what I said.
Goku got to 8000. Nappa was a Saiyan elite, and only had 4000. Nappa was the strongest Saiyan after Vegeta and his father, and he was only 4000. Taking Toriyama's statements into account, there were only 10 saiyan elites, including Nappa. That means 10 Saiyans out of thousands managed to get power levels of ~4000, while King Vegeta's 10000 was absolutely astounding.
Goku got to 8000 in a few months of just getting used to King Kai's planet. All King Kai taught him was how to use the spirit bomb and the kaioken. The 8000 is Goku without the Kaioken. He's base 8000, and in only a few months. Most of the saiyans that lived on Planet Vegeta all their lives couldn't even get to 4000.
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

Nah, Kid Boo was more edutaining than Zamas...
edited 16th Nov '16 7:27:05 PM by randomness4
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