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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#46601: Nov 16th 2016 at 2:53:12 PM

Pan could totally have a six pack.

I've known little girls with six-pack abs. It can happen. At that age kids might not have a lot of extra fat, so.

I mean. Her GT outfit, (which, because of the way the video games. Work. Is the most likely depiction of her. As much as I hate and despise it and all of GT) bares her midriff so. Six-pack abs could totally be a thing.

...And. Frankly, I wouldn't actually put the bulging nipples past the "artists" of GT, to be honest. Given the sort of stuff that actually happened to Pan in the series.

edited 16th Nov '16 2:59:51 PM by unnoun

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#46602: Nov 16th 2016 at 3:15:34 PM

In a realistic depiction, Pan probably would have a six pack. Remember, she did train with Goku since she was a very young girl and she has inhuman biology that allows for absurd musculature. I mean, just look at 5 years old Gohan or Goten and Trunks come the Buu saga.

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#46603: Nov 16th 2016 at 3:30:25 PM

You can't look at Goten's muscles...he wears a long sleeve shirt.

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#46604: Nov 16th 2016 at 3:33:23 PM

This post

That hardly says anything at all. Actually, it says exactly nothing. It isn't an excuse to produce a hackneyed, cliched and logic-defying piece of Dragonball fiction. That is in no way a defense.

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#46605: Nov 16th 2016 at 3:37:44 PM

So Trunks shouldn't be of major importance in the saga/arc literally named after him? Seriously, it'd just be ridiculously stupid to create an arc named after him, and then make him do pretty much nothing of significance beyond getting Goku and Vegeta involved.

edited 16th Nov '16 3:37:57 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#46606: Nov 16th 2016 at 3:39:36 PM

Do you really believe that in order to be important you need to take out the bad guy in the most idiotic way the writers can think of?

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#46607: Nov 16th 2016 at 3:41:24 PM

To add to that, do you think being important to a story arc means the arc has to be written poorly in order to accommodate you?

Because these things aren't mutually exclusive. The arc doesn't have to be amateur hour writing in order to have Trunks be the hero. It can be well-constructed AND have Trunks save the day. Toei just didn't give a shit.

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#46608: Nov 16th 2016 at 3:45:08 PM

No, but the way you guys are talking makes it sound like you'd prefer if he was like how he was in the Android Saga; in which he does nothing of importance beyond killing Frieza and Cold before Goku could, gets made to look like an idiot because he uses an advanced form of Super Saiyan that both Goku and Vegeta can tell right off the bat that it's worthless, gets killed at the end of the arc just to make Vegeta angry enough to try, and fail, to attack Cell for any worthwhile damage, ultimately leading to Gohan getting weakened just to build suspense, and ultimately is little more than an observer for the entire saga until he goes back to his own time and kills the Androids and Cell.

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#46609: Nov 16th 2016 at 3:50:47 PM

Yes, his handling in Android Saga was way better. Comparatively, this arc feels like a fanfic written by a teenager who's a really big Trunks fan.

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#46610: Nov 16th 2016 at 3:52:54 PM

[up][up]You realize that Trunks saved the day in the Android Saga, right?

As in, literally everyone would be dead if it weren't for him.

He saved the day. He's the reason why the androids didn't kill everyone as they otherwise would have. He didn't need to be given a bullshit powerup that came right outta nowhere, he didn't need to spontaneously become stronger as the plot demands to face an enemy that should've been so far out of his league that they weren't even playing the same sport, he didn't need to have the plot bend over and lower its drawers to give him a chance to shine.

Furthermore, while he is noticeably nowhere near as good at fighting as Goku and Vegeta are... Well, what did you expect? Goku and Vegeta fight, that's what they do. That is the only thing they do. It's natural that he's nowhere near as good at fighting as the guys whose entire life is only fighting.

edited 16th Nov '16 3:57:36 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#46611: Nov 16th 2016 at 3:56:35 PM

No, Gohan did. Trunks saved the day in his timeline but that was mostly to just wrap up everything after Cell had been dealt with. The saga this time is pretty much only in Trunks' timeline, barring Present Zamasu who got destroyed on a quantum level by Beerus in a second; Trunks should not have to take a backseat to Goku and Vegeta in his own saga, especially since, he doesn't learn anything that way. All he takes from this is that if there's a problem he can't handle, go back into the past and get your dad to deal with it; now he actually has the power to rely on himself all the way now, instead of having others solve all of his problems for him.

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#46612: Nov 16th 2016 at 3:58:05 PM

You're aware that without Trunks, literally everybody would be dead, right?

Gohan might've saved the world from Cell, but he wouldn't have been able to if Trunks hadn't saved the world from the Androids first.

And Trunks should totally take a back seat to Goku and Vegeta when the bad guy is someone who can fight on par with them, because in order to make him relevant, you have to use some weapons-grade bullshit. Which is what they did. Which is why we argue it's incredibly poor writing.

You know, you could even have Trunks take Zamasu out with a Spirit Bomb sword.

Let's do it like this:

Vegetto beats the shit out of Zamasu, making him look like a joke (as Vegetto should) only to be defused by Zamasu using his bullshit god powers. Maybe even remark that it was Vegetto's own overconfidence that led him to believe Zamasu couldn't ever hurt him. Then, have Zamasu beat the everloving shit out of Goku and Vegeta to prevent them from fusing again, while making a point to show that he's breaking down and weakened from the beating Vegetto gave him.

Then have Vegeta pull a Vegeta by tanking the hell out of Zamasu's attacks while Goku prepares a Spirit Bomb. Have him pull energy from the afterlife with help from King Kai or something like that, then have him remark on how it needs so much power that he can't wield it, thus calling to Trunks so he can do it instead, and then have Trunks be unable to handle it for long, hence necessiting him using his sword as a conduit, and then have him go Aroundight Overload on Zamasu's ass.

Boom, you can have the exact same outcome, Zamasu getting killed by a Spirit Bomb sword, but now it's not as blatant.

edited 16th Nov '16 4:04:38 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#46613: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:02:10 PM

Can we just agree it's a nice idea with poor execution?

I mean, I'd be all for "Goku and Vegeta do most of the heavy lifting but fail at the last moment, and Trunks realises that and actually steps up and manages to win because Zamasu had been weakened".

But Toei wanted to make it bigger and more dramatic so they gave him a semi-new form out of nowhere as well as the whole Genkidama "everyone giving their power to Trunks" thing. Which, really, were more their justifications as to how Trunks could hold his own more than anything. Not very good justifications, but still attempted justifications.

edited 16th Nov '16 4:04:45 PM by LOLypop1224

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#46614: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:06:53 PM

And again, it's called the Future Trunks Saga. There would be literally no point in calling it that unless Trunks was going to be more important than he was in the Android Saga. Just drop your losses already and deal with it; it happened, it was always going to happen, let's just move the fuck on already.

Also, Trunks getting a new form is no more dumb than Vegeta's rage moment that made him stronger than Goku to the point Beerus had to use 10% of his power on him, nor Vegeta getting a godly form in Super Saiyan Blue by what is basically osmosis, while skipping Super Saiyan God in its entirety.

edited 16th Nov '16 4:08:56 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#46615: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:08:22 PM

It's called the Future Trunks Saga, not the incredibly awful writing saga. Just because Trunks is important doesn't mean that you need to dip into awful fanfiction territory.

edited 16th Nov '16 4:08:46 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#46616: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:09:46 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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#46617: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:09:57 PM

Please, you've seen jackshit if you think this is awful fanfiction. I have seen so much fucking worse.

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#46618: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:12:23 PM

[up]To be fair, saying "I've seen worse" isn't the best argument in Super's defence. There's definitely worse, but as we all know, it could have also been done better.

edited 16th Nov '16 4:12:50 PM by LOLypop1224

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#46619: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:12:26 PM

Guys, please calm down. This is getting unnecessarily heated.

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#46620: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:12:41 PM

I said awful fanfiction and I mean it.

You're talking to someone who read Partially Kissed Hero, Chunin Exam Day, Chibiusa's Seventh Birthday and a host of other awful fanfiction. Just because there's way, way worse, doesn't mean that it isn't awful.

Just because there's something worse doesn't mean that the plot of the anime isn't something that I could've sworn came out of a 13 years old Trunks fanboy.

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#46621: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:14:17 PM

You say that as if a fanboy could come up with most of the stuff in this saga to begin with, including the cosmology-based info.

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#46622: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:16:47 PM

... Have you seen the stuff fanboys come up with?

They do come up with stuff like this, all the time. Hell, there's been a lot of good ideas in even some of the worst fanfiction pieces I've read. Even the boring as tofu stuff can have amazing concepts that are just executed unbelievably poorly.

And the resolution to this was exactly that - a relatively decent idea (Trunks being the one to off Zamasu with a Spirit Bomb-type attack) executed in an extremely shitty way.

edited 16th Nov '16 4:18:43 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#46623: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:21:31 PM

Pan could totally have a six pack.

That's A Rare Sentence. But yeah, she could. She won't because I don't think Toriyama is one to draw females with muscle (or as Super Saiyans) but she probably should have a ton of muscle.

Vegetto beats the shit out of Zamasu, making him look like a joke (as Vegetto should) only to be defused by Zamasu using his bullshit god powers. Maybe even remark that it was Vegetto's own overconfidence that led him to believe Zamasu couldn't ever hurt him. Then, have Zamasu beat the everloving shit out of Goku and Vegeta to prevent them from fusing again, while making a point to show that he's breaking down and weakened from the beating Vegetto gave him. Then have Vegeta pull a Vegeta by tanking the hell out of Zamasu's attacks while Goku prepares a Spirit Bomb. Have him pull energy from the afterlife with help from King Kai or something like that, then have him remark on how it needs so much power that he can't wield it, thus calling to Trunks so he can do it instead, and then have Trunks be unable to handle it for long, hence necessiting him using his sword as a conduit, and then have him go Aroundight Overload on Zamasu's ass.

You know what? This is it. This is how it should have gone. Again I'll say, I liked Trunks being the one to pull off the victory, but yeah, it was executed in an absolutely awful manner. I wish they'd done it any other way than how they did it, but I'm not disappointed that they did it.

Also, that way would have gotten rid of the pointless addition of Potara fusion also breaking if it runs out of energy. Like I said, it should be more stable to differentiate itself from Dance fusion. If they both have the exact same weaknesses, then there really was no point in Toriyama inventing it in the first place.

Vegetto beats the shit out of Zamasu, making him look like a joke (as Vegetto should)

Edit: No wait. I actually do like that Vegetto had to work a bit to beat Zamasu. We'd already seen him completely flatten someone who stood no chance (Super Buuhan) so now we get to see him actually put some effort in, which I liked. Beyond that, everything in the above quote is good.

edited 16th Nov '16 4:23:33 PM by HandsomeRob

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#46624: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:24:08 PM

It really feels like they wanted to use Gogeta, only for someone to suddenly remark that then it'd sound WAAAAY too much like the final arc of GT, so they changed it to Vegetto and then...forgot to remove the time limit.

But I'm very much feeling like Vegetto won't be in the manga at all.

edited 16th Nov '16 4:25:15 PM by LOLypop1224

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#46625: Nov 16th 2016 at 4:25:56 PM

[up][up][up] Yes, but a 13 year old fanboy?

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