"It's a sad day when Dragon Ball's fights have less impact than fights in a shoujo series. "
Didn't knew Saitama and Genos were made for a female audience.
edited 14th Nov '16 5:41:01 PM by Tomodachi
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.So? Dragon Ball fights have always involved a scale lesser than what would be expected. Vegetto's first fight, with Super Buu, didn't have any ridiculous spectacle to the fight either, and that was a clash involving the two most powerful characters in the franchise until Battle of Gods.
And it had the whole ball explosion thing and the beam thing. An Vegetto controlling his ki to No-Sell Boohan entering his body. And then there's Jawbreaker Vegetto which is just one of the most beautiful things committed to animation.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!We're comparing anime to anime here. Canon doesn't really matter. Besides, the anime version of the fight is way better than the manga version, in this instance, specifically because of all the stuff they add.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!@Tomodachi
Not related to the One Punch Man comment though. What I'm saying is that I've seen Shoujo that have more impactful fights than this climactic battle between Vegetto and Zamasu.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariI'd say that the lack of "impact" to the devastation between Vegito and Zamasu is more to do with the fact that they're already fighting in a bombed out ruin.
But then most of Z's fights were in open wastelands so I dunno.
I dunno. I appreciate the more personal, up close conflict rather than "showstoppers"
edited 14th Nov '16 6:42:50 PM by TFRazorsaw
Even including the terrible anime stuff, the only instance of ridiculous spectacle that fight had was Super Buu screaming reality apart which, again, was the logical extreme of characters yelling holes in reality. The rest of the fight was pretty small-scale and technical. There wasn't any flying through space and destroying planets with the side-effects of their epic battle, that's not how Dragon Ball does big battles.
Super does a lot of presentation things wrong.
- No blood. This severely impacts tension.
- Transformations are too instantaneous. We want to see people powering up Compare Vegito going to Super Saiyan against Buu with Vegito turning Super Saiyan Blue.
- There needs to be more destruction in fights, as another poster said.
These are the main ones that stuck out to me.
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane.""Impact" isn't the word I'd use, but I get the sentiment being expressed.
Lots of attacks, and even movements, were shown to be extremely impressive pre-Battle of Gods. The Beam Struggle between Goku and Vegeta, all the way back in the Saiyan Saga, seems to be a way more powerful and destructive moment than any other Beam Struggle that came after it, even including Gohan vs Cell. Watched out of order, you would almost swear that is where the power scale peaks in the series.
Even though we know the battles in Super are on a higher level according to the story and power of the characters, the visuals, effects and sounds of all the fights makes it feel like there's far less speed and power involved compared to earlier in the series.
Even the Super manga, my preferred format for the current Dragon Ball content, displays this same lack of proper scaling in the visuals and effects at times. It's just something we all have to deal with now.
See, the problem with you guys is that you watched the anime, and got sucked into believing that all the crap that was added in is supposed to be what Dragon Ball is like, so when Dragon Ball Super comes along, and it's paced more akin to the manga, you ingrates complain that everything is too fast and anticlimactic, when you're used to a show slow as molasses that overdramatized every single minor moment in every single fight.
edited 14th Nov '16 7:17:24 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
But really, it has been explained in the manga's run and then, apparently again in super. Chances are if your explosion is excessively bigger than the intended target you're doing it wrong. Ki in Dragon Ball is compressible to a degree unrealistic by matter/energy standards, even when it's exploding but Dragon Ball is also the world where Blooma can make a shrinking device and Piccolo Jr can grow at will. 'Tis what it what it is.
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I don't see why I need to be linking these. A simple youtube search would've sufficed.
Vegito going Super Saiyan against Buu.
Vegito going Super Saiyan Blue
The former builds up to the transformation. You see his muscles expanding, his hair rising and characters reacting to his power. The latter just shows him instantly becoming blue, thereby robbing the moment of the spectacle that should be there.
I find myself wishing that Funimation would get Faulconer to score Super's dub. They can release the original score on the home release for the weeabs and purists.
I know they won't do it, but man I wish they did. TFS was right, the Faulconer track made the Hit fight at least 3x better than it is with the Japanese score.
edited 14th Nov '16 7:22:23 PM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."At this point, both pieces fit the scene just as good as each other did.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I actually have a difficult time remembering most of Super's music (there's the ritual music, Black's theme, and that's pretty much it) while I find Perfect Cell's theme alone is one of the most memorable tracks in the series.
This song needs more love.Well, there's horrible pacing on both ends...good to know.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Though, I'd prefer it being rushed than it dragging its feet to get anywhere, like the Naruto series did with the countless anime filler it had. Especially the anime filler that would show up in the middle of an arc and have absolutely nothing to do with the arc in question, and would run for like five episodes. That's five weeks of a needless filler arc until the main action came back, which became even dumber when the anime was still doing it, even after the manga had been over for close to two years.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Reading the manga's version of a fight while watching the anime's version of that same fight can be really revealing. A quick and fast-paced combo of punches and kicks in the manga, turns into a dramatic and drawn-out series of devastating blows in the anime, interspersed with minutes of looping fight animation in-between each hit.

Thing is, Vegetto and Zamasu should've actually clashed once on the planet, created a city-sized crater just from them blocking each other's punch, and then Vegetto should've knocked him into space to prevent more damage being done to the planet. That way, you get to show how absurdly strong they are and not also kill off the entire cast. Maybe have them actually demolishing entire planets as they move through space - showing both speed and strength.
This was one of the complaints I brought up - the fight really lacks impact. It doesn't feel like the most powerful fusion in the franchise and a monster that's almost as powerful as he is are fighting. It has less impact to it than the original fight between Piccolo Jr. and Goku, because in that fight, shit actually got blowed up.
This fight should've looked like something straight out of One-Punch Man, we should've seen the effect of their punches splitting the clouds from outer space!
It's a sad day when Dragon Ball's fights have less impact than fights in a shoujo series.
Even the Superman VS Goku Death Battle had a ton more impact than this, and it was made on a budget of like a ham sandwich and three brownies.
edited 14th Nov '16 5:25:00 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari