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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#46301: Nov 13th 2016 at 2:45:36 PM

They're ruthless jerks during that day...is very dangerous.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#46302: Nov 13th 2016 at 2:47:29 PM

There's a reason why I don't usually go out for sales on that day; that particular incident is rather notorious that South Park did a three-parter on it.

edited 13th Nov '16 2:47:56 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#46303: Nov 13th 2016 at 2:49:58 PM

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I watched this. I see his points.

Personally, while I could get putting some kind of limit on in order to give some dramatic tension, it feels like revealing that transforming too much eats up the time makes it no different from Fusion Dance fusion, and if that's the case, then what is the point?

I want to see how Toyatorou does it. That way, we can know if this is something Toei came up with or a new thing Toriyama added.

edited 13th Nov '16 2:50:21 PM by HandsomeRob

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#46304: Nov 13th 2016 at 2:59:03 PM

Well, at least this arc gave Trunks two new potential Ultimates for Xenoverse 3.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#46305: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:07:24 PM

Or DLC Super Duper Trunks.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#46306: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:10:07 PM

This entire arc gave us like four new DLC characters for XV 2 lol.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#46307: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:17:37 PM

[up][up][up][up]the difference is that earrings last a half hour more and you dont have to do a stupid dance.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#46308: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:18:38 PM

[up][up]I'd say we get six not counting the two we already have: False SSJ Blue Trunks, Black (with SSJ Rose), Vegetto Blue, Zamasu, Fused Zamasu, unstable Fused Zamasu.

edited 13th Nov '16 3:19:09 PM by LordVatek

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#46309: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:22:42 PM

Also, the Potara Earrings are just straight-up a more powerful method of fusing than the Metamoran Fusion Dance.

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#46310: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:28:24 PM

I personally think all the problems people had are the ones I mentioned that could've been fixed easily. In the case of the Potara, they gave too much of an explanation, and with everything else, too little [lol]

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#46311: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:34:45 PM

It really would be painfully easy to solve most of my complaints with the episode.

Also it would avoid creating a rather big problem: Now that we know that Vegetto is temporary, there's literally zero reason why Goku and Vegeta shouldn't immediately fuse and attempt to destroy their enemy as quick as possible.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#46312: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:35:21 PM

[up][up][up] I don't know, by handwaving new rules in this episode they've kind of been proven to be just as limiting. SSBSS Vegitto wasn't able to maintain his form any longer than SS 3 Gotenks. Like, the only real benefit is not having to do the dance.

edited 13th Nov '16 3:35:43 PM by Lionheart0

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#46313: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:35:33 PM

[up][up][up]This.

edited 13th Nov '16 3:35:50 PM by VeryMelon

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#46314: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:35:46 PM

Yes there is, they're stubborn that's why.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#46315: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:36:19 PM

[up][up][up]Except that the Earrings are more powerful than the Dance.

edited 13th Nov '16 3:37:17 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46316: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:38:23 PM

But Vegito would need SSB to fight anyone powerful enough to force Goku and Vegeta to use the earrings. We then run into the time limit issue making it no different from the dance.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#46317: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:39:47 PM

They don't like fusing. The Potara are more convenient, but they will do anything else before trying it.

Also this jab at Zamasu makes anything else irrelevant.

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#46318: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:40:17 PM

Okay, can we stop saying that Potara Fusion is somehow 'no different than the dance' when there is a very real, very palpable difference in power?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46319: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:42:05 PM

What meaningful difference? An extra half hour that only means anything if Vegito stays in base? Then why fuse at all?

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#46320: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:42:25 PM

[up][up] How do we know the "palpable difference" when it's never actually been put to the test?

edited 13th Nov '16 3:42:33 PM by Lionheart0

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#46321: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:44:07 PM

The earrings produce a more powerful fusion because they are a stronger fusion method. It was the entire reason Elder Kaioshin brought them up in the first place.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#46322: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:45:58 PM

The dance may fail if it is performed incorrectly. You need the ear rings of a deity to perform the more reliable and durable fusion method, but universe 7's Kaioshins are eager to give a hand with that if needed.

And, again, they will only do it if it is the only way and only if it can make a difference. It is in character for Goku and Vegeta, who would rather take turns than gang on somebody stronger.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46323: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:46:48 PM

No one cares about that. The argument is about the fused being lasting 5 minutes regardless of method. All because of the new retcon.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#46324: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:46:52 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah, but this episode went and retconned it into having the exact same limitations as the Fusion Dance for non-Kais, so how exactly does that still hold up too?

edited 13th Nov '16 3:47:11 PM by Lionheart0

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#46325: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:49:27 PM

Yea, the Potara fusion is still better despite the limitations presented.

You make one mistake in the dance and the whole thing is ruined, and you have to wait a whole hour before you can try again, and you only get 30 minutes even if you perfect it.

All you have to do with the Potara is just put on the earrings and done, simple and easy. The fusion result is stronger overall, and you get an extra 30 minutes if you're not a Kai. And even if you burn through the time limit, there's nothing saying you can just do it again as soon as you're recharged.

The Potara is STILL better.

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