uhh Dragonball has some of the worst and stupidest fanfics around, the only big thing they have over others is shipping is next to nonexistent, instead replaced with power levelz.
The only reason for that is damn near everyone is already officially paired up in Dragon Ball and the only one who isn't is both Trunks and he gets hooked up with either Pan or a Mary Sue.
edited 13th Nov '16 9:56:19 AM by Memers
Yeah, there's dumb parts of every fanbase, and while the dumb parts of Dragon Ball's are pretty dumb, they certainly aren't the dumbest, and their number isn't nearly as great as some others.
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Hahahahahaha no
If you think that the Dragon Ball franchise has some of the dumbest fanfic around, you really don't read very much fanfic.
Dragon Ball didn't produce Chunin Exam Day or Partially Kissed Hero, after all.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariYeah, they could'v come up with a reason for Vegito to dick around, but at that point we're judging it based on what it could've been rather than what it is. As it is, there's a lot to complain about.
The Omega Shenron fight was a copy of the Buu fight as far as the fusion part of it is concerned. Gogeta was stalling to make Omega Shenron use his Negative Karma Ball (how Gogeta knew he had this technique is anyone's guess), so that Gogeta could reverse its polarit... I'll have them explain it.
That's a false dichotomy I feel. Trunks being useful in this arc can be done without making him a Sue that pulls powerups out of nowhere. A simple, very simple rewrite is to just have Vegito beat Zamas to a bloody pulp, to the point where he's weak enough that Trunks can fight him, then when Goku and Vegeta's fusion ends, Trunks comes in and beats Zamas using things we know he can do instead of pulling new moves out of nowhere.
The manga's already been using Trunks far better than the anime without new powers as the plot demands.
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Yes, how could we forget Krillin getting Super Saiyan Infinity to kick Goku's ass, after 18 cheated on Krillin with him.
So you don't call Trunks being just as powerful as Goku in the manga, and having access to a Max Power Super Saiyan 2 that is as strong as Super Saiyan 3 a random powerup?
edited 13th Nov '16 10:21:22 AM by Ssj3Gojira
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But that's literally exactly what happened lol.
>Vegetto beats up Zamasu a bit, and defuses.
>Trunks comes in and finishes the job.
The only difference is the false SSJB form and the Spirit Bomb blade thing...and truthfully speaking, how can a SSJ 2 Trunks really compare with a being nearly on par with a SSJB Vegito? Even weakened Zamasu should be more than capable of handling anything Trunks does and had to get everyone's power to beat him.
So really, it's not as simple as you think it is.
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Nope. Trunks had years to train to get to that point. In the anime, he just yells really hard and gets stronger, which is less desirable.
No, what you're doing is inferring. You're inferring that's what happened. Nobody noted that Zamas' power level had plunged. Nobody noted anything that was happening. Things just happened. You can try to justify it in your head, but the writers clearly didn't care about having it make sense.
And really, a spirit bomb out of nowhere makes no sense. Another very easy writing fix would've been to just have Goku be offscreen creating the spirit bomb, since after he and Vegeta split from Vegito all the attention was on Trunks and Zamas.
edited 13th Nov '16 10:27:29 AM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."@Cruherrx
It stole other things from the Buu fight as well. Like Goku finishing it with a Spirit Bomb while others run interference and having to request help on a large scale through a proxy. Also Vegeta getting destroyed, it had that too.
But the thing is, people will rail on the Confetti Kamehameha, but when it comes down to it, they had no reason to be afraid that they wouldn't finish him off.
They couldn't expect Goku's exhaustion would catch up to them and render them flat out unable to fuse again either.
It's not dumb behavior because what screwed them was unforeseen circumstances.
edited 13th Nov '16 10:28:16 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariA new form was created for him and him alone. It's very existence not only makes Super Saiyan 3 pointless, but also makes you ask why neither Goku or Vegeta achieved that level of power in Super Saiyan 2, despite the years of training they both did.
Plus, the manga artist also started out making an AF doujinshi, that had sexual tension between Bra and Broly. Evidently the Japanese don't really care about pairings like TrunksxMai.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!They do make a point to show that Trunks had been training constantly since Cell as well in the anime, as well as had some tutelage from the Supreme Kai too. As well as fought Black for over a year before heading to the past, probably powering up each time after getting injured.
Being strong enough to be on par with Goku makes sense after all that.
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Right. Here's what I liked:
- Vegito is back, and he's blue (ba daba dee baba da!).
- The fight was nice.
- This was Trunks' story, so him pulling off the win was nice too.
The rest of this shit is WHAT IS THIS? I DON'T EVEN!!!
So now there's a time limit on fusion even with Potara. I was fine with Buu's body is so weird it cancelled out the Potara fusion while they were inside the body, but that admittedly creates the question of why the same didn't happen to Gotenks and he instead used up the 30 minute time limit. Though I still think it would have been fine for it to just have them be defused using the dragon balls.
Trunk's Spirit Sword is a bit out there, but we've seen people creating swords out of chi (two people, both appearing in this arc) and all he did was use the base of his sword to do it. Kinda dumb, but I'll go with it.
.....Trunks suddenly Spirit bomb swording the hell out of Zamasu.....where the hell did that even come from. It's bullshit, it's nonsensical, that sword looked pretty cool, and I really torn.
Dammit Goku Black Arc. You've left me very confused as to whether I should have you hated for eternity or something less extreme.
I do know this much: I'm gonna enjoy it when Saiga gets here. Seeing him give his thoughts on this arc and rip into it a bit will be a good laugh for all of us.
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The subs very clearly said that Zamasu's body was breaking down due to his fusion and the amount of damage he was taking. This happened, I'm not inferring anything, that's exactly what was said in the fight.
And that's still mainly Goku being the one to deliver the final blow, even if everyone else participates. Sure, it "makes sense" but it hardly let's Trunks have any closure for his own arc as I mentioned before.
edited 13th Nov '16 10:32:54 AM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.I should note that the moment after SSJ4 Gogeta performed the famous GT Logic feat, he immediately stopped dicking around and fired off a Big Bang Kamehameha with the intent to kill Omega. He was pretty blatantly trying to goad him into using a powerful ki attack he could reverse, like Vegito goading Buu into absorbing him.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Also the descriptions use the term 'Super Trunks' to describe the new power, the same phrase used back when he tried to fight Cell with his bulky self. Continuing that direction with rage into something that is akin to Broly actually makes sense. It also makes sense that Goku and Vegeta did not learn it as they abandoned that path for something easier, Trunks went full steam into it.
edited 13th Nov '16 10:40:42 AM by Memers
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I never said anything about his body breaking down. That's in the episode.
What isn't is his power getting weaker. In fact, the opposite is shown, where the more mutated he looks the stronger he becomes. After Vegito beats his ass some more, he gets angry and mutates more and seemingly gets stronger.
Again, one line of dialogue like "His power's sinking like a stone" would've fixed this.
Super Saiyan 3 has been pointless since its debut.
As for why Goku and Vegeta never got a Super Saiyan 2 as suped up as Trunks'? He's a half-saiyan. They aren't. He's the only half-saiyan that has the same training ethic as they do. The manga also added that Trunks actually bothered to train with the gods, unlike Vegeta (who is the only other saiyan that uses Super Saiyan 2 extensively; and Goku never trained with a god higher than Kaio until Whis).
These aren't even Fan Wanks. They're actually in the manga.
Nah, the anime had him being inferior to Goku and Vegeta when he first showed up, and that's before they go Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.
Like, all of this would be so much easier to swallow if they just did what the manga did and say "You know, Trunks is pretty dead even with them until they start using god powers."
I think it's time to restate my position on this: take Super's anime for what it is. I'm not disappointed by what's happened because Super did what I expected it to: give me pretty colors. When it's dubbed it'll be even better. For the side of me that wants things to actually make sense, that's what the manga is for.
Super's anime has faults, but so do most things. Take it for what it is.
edited 13th Nov '16 10:47:00 AM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."I will admit the False!SSJB and Spirit Bomb sword stuff was really nonsensical even if it was thematically satisfying. I feel like they wanted give closure to this arc by having Trunks be the one to do Zamasu in, but since Trunks is much weaker than virtually everyone else at this point, they had to give him something to compensate for that.
Because let's be honest, the only reason Trunks got these powerups was because of how he was weaker than everyone else. If he never got them, then it begs the question of what the hell is he actually going to do.
Remember when he was saying "I could just leave it to Dad and Goku"...well, the sad and extremely cynical truth is that Trunks was absolutely right; he was useless and he was so much weaker than Goku or Vegeta that his presence was definitely unneeded. But since this is Trunks' arc, it'd be in extremely bad taste to just have him sit on the sidelines while he relied on his daddy to solve his problems.
So really, the Serial Escalation has reached a point you either Asspull power ups to bring everyone else up to Goku and Vegeta's level, or you just have them fight and suffer The Worf Effect to make room for Goku and Vegeta.
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You can't really tell if he's getting stronger because Vegetto was still beating his ass despite that.
Like, I don't think you need a line of dialogue to see how unstable Zamasu was becoming. You can see it. Do you really need the series to point this out to you when it's visibly clear?
edited 13th Nov '16 10:50:52 AM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Except Trunks didn't even unlock the normal Super Saiyan 2 until his fight with Dabura after Kibito was killed in front of him. Him gaining that Max Power Super Saiyan 2 state would require him to train on his own in order to get, as Supreme Kai died after that fight, so there wouldn't be any gods left that he could train with.
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What I'm saying is you CAN make Trunks kill Zamas, you CAN have him have the final fight and do all that while still having internal consistency.
All I took issue with was you saying it had to be one or the other. I agree with you on the episode being good for what it is.
You realize that Goku learned the Kaioken well before Super Saiyan Blue, but Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken is a combination of both, right? I just don't see how that works as a counter argument to anything I said.
edited 13th Nov '16 10:51:37 AM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

Blatantly untrue tho. I've seen much, much dumber. Dragon Ball is a very old franchise and a large part of its fanbase is people who have long since grown up.
In levels of stupidity, it's incredibly outdone by a lot of younger franchises that have correspondingly younger fanbases on average.
Plus, I read a lot of bad fanfiction, a lot of bad fanfiction. Dragon Ball doesn't even get close to the worst levels of stupidity I've seen.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari