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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#45951: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:05:08 AM

[up][up]Goku would love to train with Frieza?

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#45952: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:21:45 AM

Odd, Freeza seems to be the one person to get a "go away" answer from Goku.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45953: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:22:45 AM

Freeza found a way to train that made him go from weaker than the first level of Super Saiyan of a comparatively very weak Goku to "almost on par with the gods" in four months.

So, yeah, I'm fairly sure Goku would love it if Freeza would just stop killing people and they could fight like men, and women, and women who dress like men.

[up]Goku doesn't really do grudges tho.

He's not some super forgiving messiah, mind you, but I'm fairly sure that he prioritizes "is fun to fight" over "once killed and/or helped kill me and my friends".

edited 10th Nov '16 11:23:38 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#45954: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:31:32 AM

Take a look at Resurrection F or the equivalent Super arc.

Goku doesn't hold grudges most of the time, but he utterly despises Freeza.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#45955: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:34:04 AM

...he didn't despise Frieza in Resurrection F.

I mean sure he wasn't happy Frieza was terrorizing his friends but in the film he still quipped about Frieza being the perfect sparring partner for him, if Freeza could just dump all the evil. And this was after Frieza KO'd Gohan with a punch to the gut. Not sure what happened in the Super version but I remember that.

Heck, IIRC Goku was still willing to let Freeza go, until Freeza cheated and had Sorbet shoot him in the back, and even then he was like, "Daggonit, guess I deserved that one. Vegeta, tag in?

edited 10th Nov '16 11:35:29 AM by Soble

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#45956: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:36:27 AM

He absolutely hated him pre-fight, and wanted to be sparring friends after Freeza went down.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#45957: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:37:30 AM

Well I need to rewatch that one. A moment.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#45958: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:37:55 AM

I think Toei were the ones who had him more disdainful of Frieza while the original Resurrection F version had him be all like man, you'd be a great sparring partner if you weren't so evil.

I kinda agree with Toei. I get that Goku cares more about fighting then how evil you are in some cases, but there are lines you can't cross when it comes to him, and Frieza crossed them gleefully.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#45959: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:40:09 AM

Freeza detonated his best friend from the inside out just to get at him. That was outright personal.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#45960: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:42:17 AM

Yeah I'm not disagreeing with that, but the ROF version didn't make it seem like Goku outright hated him.

He says Frieza would make a good sparring partner before the fight started, and barely responds to Freeza's threats, and has that cocky look on his face instead of the stone-faced one he had when they originally fought.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#45961: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:44:31 AM

In Super, before they fight, Goku tells Freeza that's he's never hated anyone as much as him.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#45962: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:45:53 AM

And that's how it damn well should be.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#45963: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:46:10 AM

There's the difference.

And like that all is well.

[up]

But Freeza's like the coolest guy.

edited 10th Nov '16 11:49:23 AM by Soble

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#45964: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:49:21 AM

Mmm, just realiced, Cell's existance could be really insulting to Freeza: "Oh, you see, they grabbed your cells, mixed them up with those two Saiyans you personally despise, as well as that Namekian who managed to put up a fight with you, and the end result is you, but better".

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45965: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:50:12 AM

Well technically King Cold is part of him as well.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#45966: Nov 10th 2016 at 11:53:08 AM

Well, in practice, Cell only displayed elements from those 4, but yeah, his Ikea meatball genetics include Freeza's dad.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#45967: Nov 10th 2016 at 1:30:08 PM

It's weird considering the last time Freeza was alive, back when he was a cyborg, Goku seemed pretty willing to step in and kill him for good. The point seemed to be that Goku gave Freeza two chances, and he blew both of them. Because Freeza is Dragon Ball's Complete Monster who can never be redeemed. He's so evil even his alternate universe counterpart is evil!

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45968: Nov 10th 2016 at 1:31:37 PM

Though Frieza apparently does charity work on the side as well.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#45969: Nov 10th 2016 at 1:41:18 PM

Ah, that's something the Super manga handled better: Frost is not completely iredeemable, Hit is not improving into god-tier and forcing Goku to wreck his body and amplifying his power tenfold, he is just very good, but Vegeta burned himself out and got his weaknesses exploited, while Goku was outright superior.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#45970: Nov 10th 2016 at 1:42:14 PM

Rob, you're letting your own feelings be what you think Goku should feel.

You're not Goku. Your brain doesn't work like a Saiyan's.

Goku was perfectly willing to just let Vegeta go, after Vegeta and Nappa just got done murderizing his friends and, in fact, they even killed Piccolo. As far as Goku knew, that made them permadead.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#45971: Nov 10th 2016 at 1:43:20 PM

....

You're right.

I don't have to like it though. I think it's too much.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#45972: Nov 10th 2016 at 1:48:07 PM

Except Goku was all ready to kill both him and Cold when they came to Earth, and he was actually the one who killed them in Trunks' timeline. I don't think Goku would do a 180 flip and immediately try sparing Frieza after he beats his Golden form, simply because he didn't do the same the second time they fought, nor would he give Frieza another chance, after he already gave him two back on Namek that Frieza wasted both times; he should know by now that he'll never change.

edited 10th Nov '16 1:48:41 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#45973: Nov 10th 2016 at 1:48:10 PM

When it comes down to it, Freeza didn't really do anything to Goku that was specially, spectacularly heinous.

Goku might say that it's unforgivable... but if you give him a fun fight 's all good.

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#45974: Nov 10th 2016 at 1:49:55 PM

He killed Krillin in front of him, (supposedly) killed Piccolo, and then threatened to do the same thing to Gohan that he did to Krillin; the rage of that last part is what made him transform into a Super Saiyan in the first place.

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#45975: Nov 10th 2016 at 1:53:06 PM

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Goku hates Black more than Freeza at this point. Freeza killed his best friend and mentioned it one time afterwards, Black killed Goku's wife and child using his own body and gloated about it right to Goku's face.


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