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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45826: Nov 6th 2016 at 5:39:56 PM

That's because that's pretty much how the first one worked - bigger numbers made fights much, much easier.

Thing is, since Xenoverse 2 is so much faster and the combo system so much more fluid and easier to use - you can win fights that would've been unwinnable before and even actually go untouched, something that was only possible in the previous Xenoverse because of how bad the AI was.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#45827: Nov 6th 2016 at 5:42:33 PM

Well I wouldn't entirely say all problems with the AI are gone. They do seem to recover Stamina faster than you can, and they are able to Such Guard even while being combo'd. Otherwise yeah, most of the bullshit is just gone and that's great.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45828: Nov 6th 2016 at 5:47:04 PM

Those are very, very minor flaws in the grand scheme of the improvements made to remove a ton of artificial difficulty.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#45829: Nov 6th 2016 at 5:50:02 PM

Erm, the TFS thread is that way, guys.

The main flaw of the Xenoverses is that they are too grindy, and unenjoyable stuff may drag on and extend stuff that should be done earlier.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45830: Nov 6th 2016 at 5:51:37 PM

Some things had to stay because without them, I can just keep combo'ing the AI eternally until it dies. I'd much rather them sometimes just break out of combos in a bullshit way and abuse their perfect reflexes than just giving every enemy in the game Super Armor.

[up]So what? We're talking about a Dragon Ball game. Just because the talk spawned from me watching the TFS video and getting annoyed at their incompetence doesn't mean it shouldn't be in this thread.

Also, whatever might be... At least they're nowhere near as bad at videogames as the Game Grumps are.

edited 6th Nov '16 5:52:37 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#45831: Nov 6th 2016 at 5:51:40 PM

[up][up][up] Oh naturally, especially since you got a move that can break their Stamina entirely and Such Guard does nothing against Supers and Ults.

edited 6th Nov '16 5:51:54 PM by TheMageofFire

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45832: Nov 6th 2016 at 5:53:07 PM

I think you mean Just Guard. Such Guard... does not seem to be what I remember. It seems like the first part of a meme.

Such Guard! Much Blocking!

edited 6th Nov '16 5:53:29 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#45833: Nov 6th 2016 at 5:55:11 PM

I might be thinking of another fighting game.

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#45834: Nov 6th 2016 at 6:58:42 PM

Are you thinking of Perfect Blocking?

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#45835: Nov 6th 2016 at 8:16:40 PM

The Cooler/Frieza fight is where the difficulty spiked for sure and I actually had to go and grind. No other fight in the whole game gave me that kind of trouble (re: beating me once).

They need to change how the item use works.

Doesn't help that the AI is still so bad that Goku will just stand there and watch you get ragdolled instead of doing anything.

edited 6th Nov '16 8:17:18 PM by Cruherrx

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45836: Nov 6th 2016 at 8:17:01 PM

Again, which Cooler/Frieza fight?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#45837: Nov 6th 2016 at 8:17:24 PM

Namek.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45838: Nov 6th 2016 at 8:19:02 PM

Honestly, the Cooler/Frieza fight seemed way harder just because it's the one time the AI didn't just float around and let you hit it whenever.

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#45839: Nov 6th 2016 at 8:22:53 PM

It's a few things, actually. Frieza and Cooler's tail attacks, their faster-regenerating stamina, the fact that Goku is absolutely useless, the fact that blast supers are easily-interruptible now and the fact that it's 2 of them.

Also, recommended level is 20, and if you're playing the story mode straight you're definitely not gonna be at level 20. The one time I lost to them I was at level 13.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#45840: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:35:08 PM

It would help they stop insisting that the game is an RPG with fighter elements, when it's obviously a fighter with RPG elements. It doesn't help that their review of the game also insists on that viewpoint, since that'll just confuse new players into thinking that it's an RPG when it's not.

Anyways, back to Dragon Ball...

Do y'all think SSJB Vegetto could lead to SSJB Gogeta being in future games as a what-if form?

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#45841: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:32:53 PM

I don't see why not. Is a pretty basic form fusion, just paint him blue, BOOM!

You have it. Easy.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#45842: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:39:36 PM

One of the funnier comments on the preview was how You-Know-Who shouldn't be in the same outfit he had when he fought Super Buu, because, hmm, Vegeta wasn't wearing just his bodysuit this time.

Huh. That's a thought. You figure they'll design alternate outfits for any future games too?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#45843: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:59:46 PM

I think the game's difficulty is scaled along with the assumption that you do some parallel missions and time rift missions between each arc, because they're unlocked by completing the arcs and if they didn't then the game would be trivialized by anyone who didn't try to play story mode straight.

I've been ignoring most parallel missions after the first 10, stopped doing mentor missions after Raditz, and focused a fair bit on time rift missions because they're new. I ended up being fairly overlevelled until the story mode caught up to me.

Xenoverse 2 has so many options for side events that RPG leveling doesn't work so well. If level ups weren't so ingrained in RPGs, I think Xenoverse would do better by having story missions award skill points on completion so they can scale everything much easier. Parallel quests would be balanced by how many skill point you would have been granted by the time you unlocked it, etc.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#45844: Nov 7th 2016 at 12:20:43 AM

I think the reason Vegetto looks the same is because Vegeta's armor broke from blocking Merged Zamasu's attack.

Also, I updated my Xenoverse 3 wishlist with a few things.

TL;DR, I added a few new characters and variations, plus symbol customization.

edited 7th Nov '16 12:21:00 AM by Rinsankajugin

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#45845: Nov 7th 2016 at 12:25:58 AM

...Giant Time Breaker Appule?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#45846: Nov 7th 2016 at 12:35:53 AM

Giant Namekian Metal Great Ape Golden Pure Kid Super Appule (Scouter [Early])

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#45847: Nov 7th 2016 at 12:38:14 AM

It was a thing that happened in Dragon Ball Online.

A lot of Freiza's soldiers became Time Breakers and also grew giant for some reason. Except for Ginyu, Time Breaker Ginyu was a bigger version of Frog Ginyu...

So, who wore the better Time Breaker mask, Bardock, Vegeta or Ace?

edited 7th Nov '16 12:40:15 AM by Rinsankajugin

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#45848: Nov 7th 2016 at 12:50:05 AM

Giant Time Breaker Appule sounds like a great idea for a From Nobody to Nightmare surprise final boss.

edited 7th Nov '16 12:50:12 AM by Anomalocaris20

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#45849: Nov 7th 2016 at 12:56:22 AM

Can you even comprehend how much I would love Giant Time Breaker Appule?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45850: Nov 7th 2016 at 2:09:57 AM

Only if he's also a Fake Ultimate Mook, in that he makes a big show of being super powerful and then you lay him out with one punch.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

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