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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45476: Oct 29th 2016 at 9:32:31 PM

Ki Blast supers are okay.

It's Ki Blast ultimates that are the problem.

They're flat out worthless late in the game.

I literally could not hit the final boss even once with either of mine. Even when he was distracted or when I broke his guard, every single time he would appear right behind me and instantly break my guard.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#45477: Oct 29th 2016 at 9:34:20 PM

Praise the ningenator GOD!!

But i'm dissapointed. Zamasu is keeping only his voice, instead of using both Black and his.

edited 29th Oct '16 9:36:41 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#45478: Oct 29th 2016 at 9:42:21 PM

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Well according to the spoilers it's because they couldn't get Ozawa to do the mixed voice with him, as she had ALREADY finished a marathon session with Vegeta's voice actor doing synchronized lines. So you know what THAT means.

edited 29th Oct '16 9:42:29 PM by MyssaRei

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#45479: Oct 29th 2016 at 9:46:34 PM

[up] Vegeta and Goku will be speaking in tandem in an attempt to confuse and annoy Fused Zamasu?

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#45480: Oct 29th 2016 at 10:04:22 PM

[up][up] Slighty less dissapointed.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#45481: Oct 29th 2016 at 10:05:00 PM

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Yes. Yes I do. Glad to hear it. I've been waiting for this one.

My only question is...dance or earrings? The latter makes more sense since they know they can use the Dragonballs to undo it, and it's far more stable.

One Strip! One Strip!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#45482: Oct 29th 2016 at 10:10:13 PM

That and the fact both Gowasu and Supreme Kai are right there.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#45483: Oct 29th 2016 at 10:48:26 PM

I will say that this could be one of the coolest battles to date:

By the looks of things in the preview, just the existence of Merged Zamasu is causing the planet to become unstable (note the Namek-style lightning) and if the Vegetto thing pans out, we're set to have two fusions consisting of some of the strongest fighters in series thus far fighting it out while Earth crumbles around them.

This song needs more love.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#45484: Oct 30th 2016 at 1:41:53 AM

Ki Ultimates aren't worthless. Ultimates in general are harder to connect with now unless you stamina break.

I do think it's an unintended flaw of stamina break that it is so good at interrupting Ultimates.

But I haven't had any issues with hitting with Ki Ultimates on a stamina break. The only technique that's really difficult now is Dragon Fist, they should really look at making that one easier to execute because it is incredibly hard to land.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#45485: Oct 30th 2016 at 4:15:41 AM

Okay, Black creating an energy scythe and using it to cut space which sends a gas that creates an army of Black clones, is by far the weirdest and most convoluted technique we've seen.

Oh Bulma, aren't you too old for tricks like this?

Seeing Zamasu freak out was great.

Sigh...and Goku does something stupid yet again. He never was a genius, but Super really is Flanderazing his idiocy to the extreme.

Okay, I have to admit, Fused Zamasu looks cool, especially in the preview, with the halo thing. Can't wait for the next episode.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45486: Oct 30th 2016 at 5:54:31 AM

[up][up]Really?

Because while it's true that they can't dash, they still instantly appear behind me and Guard Break me the moment I try to use any Ultimate that takes longer than a second to execute.

Or they just move out of the way.

Or it just shoots everywhere but at the enemy I'm supposed to be aiming it at.

Anyway, the point is, the opponent should not be able to guard break you out of an ultimate with a single hit.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#45487: Oct 30th 2016 at 7:07:12 AM

So... Ep. 64 was pretty bad, imo.

First, there's Black nonsensical technique. I mean, sure, summoning a scythe is fine. Summoning an army of shadow clones is fine. Ripping a hole in reality due to sheer rage is fine. All of that is fine by itself, but the convoluted mess we saw made no sense whatsoever. Furthermore, the transition was really sudden, when did Goku let Zamasu go? Heck, why did it take Zamasu so long to reach Bulma's base in the first place? The execution's all wonky.

It takes Goku a whole night to learn the Mafuba properly, directly from his teacher... and Trunks can learn it instantly from a low-res cellphone video that doesn't even show the victim? Bullshit.

Goku forgetting the seal? More bullshit, this is not the time for that gag. If the intention was to have Zamasu sealed for only a short time, why not have Black break the jar, or even have it break by accident? They could even say there was a small shard missing, and that's why he escaped.

It's easier to point out what did work in this episode: Trunks mimicking the Ginyu poses was actually pretty funny. So was Bulma trying to seduce the enemy (a tactic with a lower success rate than Vegeta's ki barrage). Zamasu getting Mafuba'd was a pretty nice visual, too.

Overall, a pretty lackluster episode. Thankfully, the Portuguese version of Super had a nice surprise:

Beerus/Bills singing the DBGT opening. What a nice easter egg.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45488: Oct 30th 2016 at 7:57:08 AM

The Evil Containment Wave was going to fail somehow given the leaked episode lists this saga going past this episode. I just wish they chose a better way to do that.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45489: Oct 30th 2016 at 8:05:55 AM

Admittedly, the idea of Beerus singing Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku is hilarious, and something I can totally see a savvy voice director doing.

For all the hate that GT gets... it really did have a really great score.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#45490: Oct 30th 2016 at 8:23:55 AM

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It's extremely disappointing.

I'm waiting to see what Toyotaro does, cause I want to know if Toei came up with this on their own, or if this is something Toriyama wrote.

The difference between the manga and the anime seem to be purely interpretation of the vague notes both sides were given, so it will be interesting to see how things go with the manga version of the battle.

One Strip! One Strip!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#45491: Oct 30th 2016 at 8:29:48 AM

Yea, this was the first time I've actually been annoyed by Goku's idiocy; it's one thing being well meaning but slightly ignorant idiot. It's another to be so idiotic that it puts you and those around him in danger.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45492: Oct 30th 2016 at 8:32:52 AM

You're aware that Goku put Earth at risk when he decided to spare Vegeta and Freeza, right? And also when he decided to trust Gohan could handle Cell instead of training more. And also when he decided to leave Earth in Goten and Trunks' hands. And also when he decided to screw around instead of kill Freeza as fast as possible.

Goku has a track record of making problems worse before solving them.

edited 30th Oct '16 8:34:02 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#45493: Oct 30th 2016 at 8:33:14 AM

In contrast to how his mere existence put the others in danger.

That, he can't help, but this time, his incompetence actively hurt them.

I mean, King Piccolo wasn't his fault; Raditz, Vegeta and Frieza weren't his fault; The Androids arguably were not his fault.

Buu escaping, and getting as strong as he did was kinda his fault, but there's a lot of blame to go around in that one.

But this. This is purely Goku's fault, and I DO NOT want it to be forgotten.

One Strip! One Strip!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45494: Oct 30th 2016 at 8:36:47 AM

Buu was completely Goku's fault. He could've stomped Vegeta in two seconds with SSJ 3. He could've killed Fat Buu. He could've killed Super Buu as Vegetto by just re-fusing. He could've saved Gohan instead of Mr. Satan and Dende. He could've killed Kid Buu if he had gone 100% all out right from the start instead of waiting until SSJ 3 drained his ki.

Basically, Goku had a point when he said he was putting the Earth in danger.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#45495: Oct 30th 2016 at 8:41:29 AM

Well I did say that he does take a lot of blame.

Gohan didn't keep up his training. Vegeta decided his grudge match was more important. East Supreme Kai didn't pay attention to the power of the Saiyans. Gotenks kept dicking around. Vegeta crushed one of the earrings first. Gohan didn't kill Super Buu when he had the chance, etc.

Goku messed up and made bad choices, but everyone in the Buu Saga did. There were multiple points where the threat should have ended but didn't because Character A did something dumb.

Goku isn't exempt from that, but he's far from the only one.

One Strip! One Strip!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#45496: Oct 30th 2016 at 8:42:33 AM

Those previous things were more the result of either arrogance, misguided belief in others, or his kind nature. This was straight-up idiocy.

This song needs more love.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#45497: Oct 30th 2016 at 8:44:37 AM

And that's what makes it worse.

This better not be forgotten. I want this to be held over his head for a long time.

One Strip! One Strip!
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#45498: Oct 30th 2016 at 9:03:34 AM

Seriously, what in the world was that clone nonsense?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#45499: Oct 30th 2016 at 9:07:00 AM

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Nonsense, just like you said.

I mean, maybe it's some weird combination of a god in the body of a mortal who became a god and whatever power let Gotenks create the Super Kamikaze Ghost attack.

Like, maybe Saiyans have some weird cloning power they don't know about, but whatever. It's just a random things Toei did.

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