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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#45326: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:25:20 PM

I occasionally wonder how Mark compares to guys like Nam and General Blue who were sort of halfway between normal and superhuman. I certainly can't see him standing a chance against Tao.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#45327: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:33:07 PM

[up][up]Yes, there was a point where he was actually thought of as a badass in Japan, IIRC.

However, strong as he might be in real life (and yes, even jobbers are much stronger than your average Joe)... he would not be exactly impressive in the World Martial Arts stage of Dragon Ball. I'd like to remind you, even at a level at which they could move so fast as to be invisible to the naked eye, the main gang did not completely outstripe everyone at the World Martial Arts tournament the first time.

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#45328: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:39:00 PM

And yet Hercule managed to win legitimately once Goku and his friends stopped showing up; seems more like all the special people just stopped showing up to the tournaments, leaving it mostly filled with just normal human fighters. Plus, half of the fighters we saw that never showed up in the series again...really weren't that impressive to being with.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#45329: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:48:21 PM

It's implied that the tournament was heavily commercialized after Piccolo asploded it and the people with actual integrity by and large stopped showing up.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#45330: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:54:05 PM

IIRC, the interviewer questioned him on Satan winning his first tournament legitimately and Toriyama said that he got lucky through all his fights since his opponents had illnesses or ailments or what have you that prevented them from giving him a legitimate challenge.

Basically, in that interview Toriyama went out of his way to make Mr. Satan a character so jokey that he makes Dan look uber badass by comparison.

That is if it's legit.

edited 24th Oct '16 7:54:17 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#45331: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:55:41 PM

You remember wrong.

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#45332: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:01:04 PM

Just find the link to the interview.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#45333: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:04:20 PM

See, the reason I'm doubting its veracity is because I can't find it, and it's bothering me. I know I saw it somewhere, but I don't keep every link of stuff saved.

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#45335: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:10:57 PM

Thing is, I was looking for the original one I saw which was in Spanish, did not think to search in English for some reason. Le derp.

When Mr. Satan was young, he attended a fighting dojo called “Satan Castle”. Through a combination of considerable power and good luck (his rival fighting opponent would get food poisoning, for instance), he quickly became world champion and was called “Mr. Satan” after the name of his dojo.

This is what I'm talking about, where he acknowledges that yeah, Mr. Satan is strong, but he actually won because of both that and his ridiculously good luck.

Instead of him being strong enough to beat the really skilled martial artists, he fought much weaker opposition and got good luck on top of it, given the implications of the overcommercialized Tournament. Granted, I don't think it's explicitly stated that it began before he was champion, but given the fact that nobody thinks any of the esoteric techniques are real, I don't think anyone strong showed up to the tournament.

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#45336: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:11:04 PM

See, I really don't understand the wording for that first Kaioshin thing.

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#45337: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:21:47 PM

The Mafuba not killing the person using the technic has happened before.

Plus It will probably be Super Saiyan Blue Vegito using it on Fusion Zamasu.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#45338: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:22:43 PM

It's funny, but it's also wrong as balls, because Majin Buu happened 5,000,000 years ago, and one of the Kaioshin from back then is still alive and kicking.

I think the figure they meant to give was 75,000,000 years, not 75,000. It'd be like living a million years for every mortal year. 75 is not super young an age to die at after all.

edited 24th Oct '16 8:23:59 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#45339: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:23:23 PM

Really, how would Satan vs. Nam go? I'm not sure I can see Satan getting back up from that air dive attack, which would totally be a superpower in pretty much any other setting.

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#45340: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:24:03 PM

Well more like I don't understanding the wording, with the three Kaioshin working in shifts and that "currently-inactive" thing.

Also, that honestly seems like the new canon now, considering both alternate universes we've seen so far have only had one Kaioshin present along with an attendant.

edited 24th Oct '16 8:25:13 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#45341: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:24:27 PM

Nam wins, for sho.

[up]Also nonsensical because there were five that existed, given that they're named after the cardinal directions and there was the Dai Kaioshin, at one time.

The plant thing can totes mesh, no problem, though.

edited 24th Oct '16 8:25:45 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45342: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:27:45 PM

I'm pretty sure 75,000 years is supposed to be the average life-span of a normal Kaioshin. The Supreme Kais are of a different breed that almost never comes around, and thus live much longer.

edited 24th Oct '16 8:28:01 PM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#45343: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:29:31 PM

The number of Supreme Kais seems to vary by universe. Seven has/had five, Six has one, Ten has one plus apprentice...

edited 24th Oct '16 8:32:46 PM by HamburgerTime

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45344: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:30:30 PM

Gowasa(?) and Zamasu are Universe 10.

Also, Kaioshins are the Supreme Kais; that's just their Japanese name. The Kais are just Kaios.

edited 24th Oct '16 8:31:18 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45345: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:31:50 PM

[up]Oh, but you still get what I mean.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45346: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:34:01 PM

Actually, why does the Kaio Zamasu look so much like a Kaioshin, when the Universe 7 ones wear sunglasses, have antenna, and have bug wings (at least in one artwork)?

Actually, what the hell is Kibito then? If he's a Kaio like the other ones, then why does he look so different compared to them?

edited 24th Oct '16 8:39:02 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#45347: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:41:46 PM

Normal Kais live about 75 000 years. But Supreme Kais live for millions of years.

[up]Kibito is just a member of the race.

Here is the entry on it from the DB wiki

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Shinjin

edited 24th Oct '16 8:44:50 PM by Envyus

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#45348: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:44:27 PM

Kibito has to be either a stronger-than-average normal-fruit Kai or a weaker-than-average golden fruit Kai, but I'm not sure which.

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#45349: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:45:13 PM

Except Zamasu was a Kaio, and was in training to become a Kaioshin, indicating that there is no biological difference between Kaio and Kaioshin.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#45350: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:46:57 PM

Kibito is a Kai before actually given a place to rule IIRC, they are called umm Shinjin.


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