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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#44751: Oct 9th 2016 at 1:52:39 PM

Yajirobe drilled a hole through one to use as a necklace.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#44752: Oct 9th 2016 at 1:54:04 PM

Majin Buu turned Chi Chi into an egg and crushed her. He also ate Goten and Gohan, and just as a kicker, blew up the world with Goten and Gohan in it.

Goku still wanted him to reincarnate so they could fight again and was pretty open to the idea of helping Uub achieve his potential.

Black has done nothing that Goku has not forgiven in the past.

edited 9th Oct '16 1:54:58 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#44753: Oct 9th 2016 at 1:56:48 PM

Shit.

Well, lets watch him put the entire planet at risk again.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#44754: Oct 9th 2016 at 1:58:18 PM

Yes, but was that done using his own fucking body? There's probably a more personal element to it that you're not getting, just saying.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#44755: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:00:25 PM

We'll see.

I mean, now that [up] brings it up, Black has made it personal in a way that we haven't seen since Frieza.

Buu killed Chi-chi, Gohan and Goten true, but not using Goku's body. Just like Bulma, the last thing they saw before dying was the face of their Husband / Father. That's pretty brutal.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#44756: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:00:48 PM

Also, Goku never forgave Buu, he just asked for him to be reincarnated into a better person.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#44757: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:02:54 PM

... What does it matter that it was done with Goku's own body?

To Goku, I mean.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#44758: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:05:24 PM

Because it means that his family was killed by his own body; God forbid what Chi-chi and Goten were thinking when Black was coming after them. The fact he was pretty much bragging about him doing so might have pushed Goku's buttons a whole lot.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#44759: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:05:47 PM

[up][up]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHAT DOES IT MATTER TO GOKU?

Do you think Goku would do something like this over nothing?

edited 9th Oct '16 2:06:07 PM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#44760: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:22:26 PM

To you, it changes things a lot. But to Goku...

It doesn't provoke him enough to just use SSJB Kaioken x10 to instantly turn Goku Black to a pile of shredded meat. Or Zamasu. I mean, Zamasu would've recovered, but it would still be satisfying to punch him so hard his past self felt it.

edited 9th Oct '16 2:23:10 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#44761: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:26:19 PM

This is true.

I mean, he's probably not using it do to Dramatic Convention (I was really hoping it wouldn't be forgotten) or possibly due to the potential drawback (that ki messing up thing he got before), but I'm shocked he wouldn't be willing to take the risk.

Then again, I'd have thought he'd keep working on a way to perfect it by now, but maybe it's because of what happened before that that's no longer an option.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#44762: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:27:27 PM

He's not allowed to use that anymore, because the after-effects are too severe, and there's no indication that Goku has improved on that at all. Plus, Hit wasn't turned to paste by the Kaio-ken x10; what makes you think that it'd do any better on Black and an immortal Zamasu, especially since the former has the most OP Zenkai ability in the universe, to the point where it activates during a fight and not after healing from near-fatal wounds. All Goku would end up accomplishing is making Black even fucking stronger than he is now, to the point where even a Kaio-ken x20 wouldn't be enough to close the gap.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Bolded1 Fate, guide me from behind you!!!!!!!! Since: Mar, 2015
Fate, guide me
#44763: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:37:22 PM

The SSJB Kaioken could very likely screw up and kill Goku. Plus, he's in a situation where raw power won't cut it. Zamasu will regenerate from whatever is thrown at him and Black will always get stronger.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44764: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:40:13 PM

What exactly does being immortal mean in this context because I remember their being more than one debate about that.

And also, can Zeno destroy him even if he's immortal?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#44765: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:45:53 PM

Well it's a good thing Goku wasn't angry enough to forget all of those details. Imagine if he had gone berserk and used it!

edited 9th Oct '16 2:46:13 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Bolded1 Fate, guide me from behind you!!!!!!!! Since: Mar, 2015
Fate, guide me
#44766: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:47:31 PM

It'd definitely be an epic sight though. I really felt it when he was punching Black.

[up][up] He can seemingly face-tank whatever is thrown at him and is completely fine afterward (intercepting energy attacks for one), whatever do damage him soon heal up.

Like, when Goku went ape on them, Black was visibly injured (scratches and all) while Zamasu was pretty fine.

edited 9th Oct '16 2:48:42 PM by Bolded1

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#44767: Oct 9th 2016 at 2:52:32 PM

[up][up]Probably the same thing...but with more hurt on Blackarrot.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#44768: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:16:28 PM

Goku still wanted him to reincarnate so they could fight again and was pretty open to the idea of helping Uub achieve his potential.

To be fair, Buu was literally chaos incarnate and did not know any better. Goku wished for a good version for him to be reincarnated.

Zamusa on the other hand made a conscious decision because "lol fuck humans, amirite?"

edited 9th Oct '16 3:16:38 PM by Lionheart0

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#44769: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:17:10 PM

[up]x4 Can Zeno create a rock he can't lift?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#44770: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:18:52 PM

Would using Kaioken SSB even change anything? Zamasu would just tank everything Goku through at him and Black would just hide behind him. Only thing Goku would succeed in doing would be killing himself...so huh?

Goku's rage is pretty justified and even if he's forgiven people in the past, that doesn't mean the rage and resentment he felt just disappears. He does care about his family and friends despite the fandom's insistence that he's just a dumbass Blood Knight who doesn't think about anything else beyond throwing a punch.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#44771: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:18:54 PM

Yes, then he'd just make it so he can lift it. You really don't argue about this kind of stuff in the context of anything that exists beyond our concepts of physics; that is just the pathway to insanity right there.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#44772: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:28:20 PM

I'm not saying he's not angry. I'm not saying that he's not furious.

I'm saying that while to you the aggravator of "did it with his own body" makes it cross over into Unforgivable territory, when I'm not sure there is stuff that Goku won't forgive, on account of the fact that Goku lives in a world in which things can be undone.

For us, death is final and permanent, but for him it's a momentary inconvenience. It's not even the first time someone took his body and tried to kill his child, it's the first time someone's succeeded tho.

edited 9th Oct '16 3:28:48 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44773: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:30:59 PM

I would like to point out that Frieza threatening Gohan after killing Krillin and incapacitating Piccolo is what actually pushed Goku over the edge to become a Super Saiyan, not just him killing Krillin.

Also, their deaths actually are permanent in that timeline, since Black would have most likely have slaughtered everyone on Earth, including Dende, which means no more Dragon Balls.

edited 9th Oct '16 3:32:36 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#44774: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:32:24 PM

Yeah.

So?

He was still willing to spare Freeza. Yes, it was Cruel Mercy, but he still spared Freeza.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#44775: Oct 9th 2016 at 3:33:24 PM

Sparing someone via Cruel Mercy is not the same as sparing them to be nice and virtuous or whatever.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!

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