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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#44526: Oct 5th 2016 at 4:20:48 PM

That's a damn good way to do it actually.

.....We were just having a quasi Mafuuba discussion in the Abridged THIS thread too.

Well, it was really a discussion about how useless Chiaotzu's sacrifice in both the Piccolo and Saiyan arcs were, but the Mafuuba did come up.

Edit: I derped since I forgot that discussion was in this thread. I also shouldn't have left my post unspoiled for those who didn't click. Apologies.

edited 5th Oct '16 4:30:58 PM by HandsomeRob

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#44527: Oct 5th 2016 at 4:21:13 PM

Holy shit, now wouldn't that be a hell of a callback.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#44528: Oct 5th 2016 at 4:23:29 PM

If that actually happens, this may be the best arc of the series.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44529: Oct 5th 2016 at 5:04:09 PM

And then the manga did something totally different for lulz.

"He's protect his own era! Trunks gets furious!!" Future Trunks sends Goku and co. back to the past and faces off against Black on his own..."

...it's just crazy enough to work.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#44530: Oct 5th 2016 at 5:23:54 PM

I would love to see them have to guts to have Goku and co. go back to the future and they find Black and Zamasu both dead and Super Saiyan Blue Trunks is standing over their bodies like "It's cool guys, I got it."

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#44531: Oct 5th 2016 at 5:24:50 PM

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edited 5th Oct '16 5:24:59 PM by hardcorefakes

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#44532: Oct 5th 2016 at 5:35:20 PM

I have a irking feeling that this is all a Toei-only thing like the return of the Kaioken. In which case, yeah, it won't be in the manga, and it most likely wasn't Toriyama's idea.

It's nice they're acknowledging stuff from pre-Raditz, though. Although it'll confuse the hell out of the Western fans once it gets dubbed. As Abridged!Piccolo says, "Nobody watched Dragon Ball".

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#44533: Oct 5th 2016 at 5:49:09 PM

I mean, the return of the Kaioken was better than what the manga did.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44534: Oct 5th 2016 at 5:50:18 PM

I disagree. I personally found the manga resolution better than what the anime did.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44535: Oct 5th 2016 at 5:53:22 PM

As someone who isn't reading/watching either, what was the difference?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44536: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:01:08 PM

I'll quote this from the DBS character page, since it sums things up nicely.

In the anime, Hit was on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku, although he was overwhelmed once Goku learned how to counter his time-skip. That is until Hit improved and increased the time he can freeze time, forcing Goku to use the Kaioken to counter it. Even then, it was an even match and Hit was holding back since he couldn't use any of his killing techniques. In the manga, Hit is overwhelmed by Super Saiyan Blue Goku and he doesn't improve. He has just been holding back and can only use his full power time-skip once or twice. After Goku transformed into a Super Sayian Blue, he has the match won, but forfeits since Hit can't use his killing techniques. Goku then tells Vegeta that he may have beat Hit if he didn't waste so much energy with Cabba.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#44537: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:05:23 PM

I thought that somebody else wrote the manga?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44538: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:06:39 PM

Wasn't that made clear by the events of the manga being different from Toei's anime?

edited 5th Oct '16 6:07:24 PM by VeryMelon

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#44539: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:10:34 PM

Let me rephrase: Someone that isn't Toriyama.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#44541: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:13:56 PM

Yeah, see, that's getting me confused about the claim from earlier that solely Toei was responsible for the return of the Kaio-Ken. Is it possible that it's a little bit of Toriyama and a little bit of Toei?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#44542: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:21:41 PM

No. The way Goku powered up is different in the Manga apparently.

I'll also say I preferred the return of the Kaioken, even if it's due to personal bias.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#44543: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:25:54 PM

If it was solely Toriyama, it would be respected by both Toei and Toyotaro, and they'd put it in their versions of Super. I mean, I have no proof of this, but that's what you'd expect to happen. They definitely respect Toriyama. Toyotaro is very likely a former fan-manga artist who did a bunch of Dragon Ball AF manga. He wouldn't deviate from Toriyama's original ideas that drastically on a whim.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44544: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:28:00 PM

Trunks is standing over their bodies like "It's cool guys, I got it."

Vegeta: Damn it, no!

Trunks: What?

Vegeta: NO. It was MY turn to beat up Kakarot! MY turn to kill him with my bare hands! Mine, mine, mine!

Trunks: But father I-

Vegeta: Shut it boy! You know what? Get back in the time machine. We're going back, gathering the Super Dragonballs, and we're going to WISH BLACK BACK TO LIFE SO I CAN BEAT HIM.

edited 5th Oct '16 7:57:21 PM by Soble

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#44545: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:28:53 PM

From what I can tell, Toriyama gave both sides only loose notes on what was happening, hence why there are so many difference between the two.

I'd think, that since he had time to really dwell on things, he'd have more thorough notes so that the manga and the anime would be closer to each other.

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#44546: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:29:33 PM

Toriyama probably didn't think that far ahead.

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I read that in Abridged! Vegeta and Trunks's voices.

edited 5th Oct '16 6:32:10 PM by AdricDePsycho

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#44547: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:32:41 PM

But he should have.

When you only have a week to bust out a new chapter (to say nothing of the fact that he apparently started really late and still did that much work), it makes sense, but if he had time to really think about things, he could have easily planned things out pretty solidly.

Dragon Ball is Toriyama half assing everything. But if he wielded the power of his entire ass, the result would be glorious.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#44549: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:36:00 PM

Toriyama has been half-assing things since the 80's. Like...Goku kept losing his tail he didn't want to have to keep drawing it. Because it took too long.

He really hasn't changed.

edited 5th Oct '16 6:38:48 PM by LOLypop1224

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#44550: Oct 5th 2016 at 6:37:50 PM

Too long...? I can see that, since it has to be in different positions all the time.

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